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From: Zach Pfeffer <zach.pfeffer@linaro.org>
To: Daniel Stone <daniels@collabora.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
	Ankita Garg <ankita@in.ibm.com>,
	Daniel Walker <dwalker@codeaurora.org>,
	Jesse Barker <jesse.barker@linaro.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Kyungmin Park <kyungmin.park@samsung.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 08/10] mm: cma: Contiguous Memory Allocator added
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:58:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=cJisuP8=_YSg4h-nsjGj3zsM7sg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110614170158.GU2419@fooishbar.org>

On 14 June 2011 12:01, Daniel Stone <daniels@collabora.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 06:03:00PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Tuesday 14 June 2011, Michal Nazarewicz wrote:
>> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:49:29 +0200, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
>> > > Please explain the exact requirements that lead you to defining multiple
>> > > contexts.
>> >
>> > Some devices may have access only to some banks of memory.  Some devices
>> > may use different banks of memory for different purposes.
>>
>> For all I know, that is something that is only true for a few very special
>> Samsung devices, and is completely unrelated of the need for contiguous
>> allocations, so this approach becomes pointless as soon as the next
>> generation of that chip grows an IOMMU, where we don't handle the special
>> bank attributes. Also, the way I understood the situation for the Samsung
>> SoC during the Budapest discussion, it's only a performance hack, not a
>> functional requirement, unless you count '1080p playback' as a functional
>> requirement.

Coming in mid topic...

I've seen this split bank allocation in Qualcomm and TI SoCs, with
Samsung, that makes 3 major SoC vendors (I would be surprised if
Nvidia didn't also need to do this) - so I think some configurable
method to control allocations is necessarily. The chips can't do
decode without it (and by can't do I mean 1080P and higher decode is
not functionally useful). Far from special, this would appear to be
the default.

> Hm, I think that was something similar but not quite the same: talking
> about having allocations split to lie between two banks of RAM to
> maximise the read/write speed for performance reasons.  That's something
> that can be handled in the allocator, rather than an API constraint, as
> this is.
>
> Not that I know of any hardware which is limited as such, but eh.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linaro-mm-sig mailing list
> Linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org
> http://lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/linaro-mm-sig
>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Zach Pfeffer <zach.pfeffer@linaro.org>
To: Daniel Stone <daniels@collabora.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
	Ankita Garg <ankita@in.ibm.com>,
	Daniel Walker <dwalker@codeaurora.org>,
	Jesse Barker <jesse.barker@linaro.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Kyungmin Park <kyungmin.park@samsung.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 08/10] mm: cma: Contiguous Memory Allocator added
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:58:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=cJisuP8=_YSg4h-nsjGj3zsM7sg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110614170158.GU2419@fooishbar.org>

On 14 June 2011 12:01, Daniel Stone <daniels@collabora.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 06:03:00PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Tuesday 14 June 2011, Michal Nazarewicz wrote:
>> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:49:29 +0200, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
>> > > Please explain the exact requirements that lead you to defining multiple
>> > > contexts.
>> >
>> > Some devices may have access only to some banks of memory.  Some devices
>> > may use different banks of memory for different purposes.
>>
>> For all I know, that is something that is only true for a few very special
>> Samsung devices, and is completely unrelated of the need for contiguous
>> allocations, so this approach becomes pointless as soon as the next
>> generation of that chip grows an IOMMU, where we don't handle the special
>> bank attributes. Also, the way I understood the situation for the Samsung
>> SoC during the Budapest discussion, it's only a performance hack, not a
>> functional requirement, unless you count '1080p playback' as a functional
>> requirement.

Coming in mid topic...

I've seen this split bank allocation in Qualcomm and TI SoCs, with
Samsung, that makes 3 major SoC vendors (I would be surprised if
Nvidia didn't also need to do this) - so I think some configurable
method to control allocations is necessarily. The chips can't do
decode without it (and by can't do I mean 1080P and higher decode is
not functionally useful). Far from special, this would appear to be
the default.

> Hm, I think that was something similar but not quite the same: talking
> about having allocations split to lie between two banks of RAM to
> maximise the read/write speed for performance reasons.  That's something
> that can be handled in the allocator, rather than an API constraint, as
> this is.
>
> Not that I know of any hardware which is limited as such, but eh.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linaro-mm-sig mailing list
> Linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org
> http://lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/linaro-mm-sig
>

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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: zach.pfeffer@linaro.org (Zach Pfeffer)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 08/10] mm: cma: Contiguous Memory Allocator added
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:58:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=cJisuP8=_YSg4h-nsjGj3zsM7sg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110614170158.GU2419@fooishbar.org>

On 14 June 2011 12:01, Daniel Stone <daniels@collabora.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 06:03:00PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Tuesday 14 June 2011, Michal Nazarewicz wrote:
>> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:49:29 +0200, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
>> > > Please explain the exact requirements that lead you to defining multiple
>> > > contexts.
>> >
>> > Some devices may have access only to some banks of memory. ?Some devices
>> > may use different banks of memory for different purposes.
>>
>> For all I know, that is something that is only true for a few very special
>> Samsung devices, and is completely unrelated of the need for contiguous
>> allocations, so this approach becomes pointless as soon as the next
>> generation of that chip grows an IOMMU, where we don't handle the special
>> bank attributes. Also, the way I understood the situation for the Samsung
>> SoC during the Budapest discussion, it's only a performance hack, not a
>> functional requirement, unless you count '1080p playback' as a functional
>> requirement.

Coming in mid topic...

I've seen this split bank allocation in Qualcomm and TI SoCs, with
Samsung, that makes 3 major SoC vendors (I would be surprised if
Nvidia didn't also need to do this) - so I think some configurable
method to control allocations is necessarily. The chips can't do
decode without it (and by can't do I mean 1080P and higher decode is
not functionally useful). Far from special, this would appear to be
the default.

> Hm, I think that was something similar but not quite the same: talking
> about having allocations split to lie between two banks of RAM to
> maximise the read/write speed for performance reasons. ?That's something
> that can be handled in the allocator, rather than an API constraint, as
> this is.
>
> Not that I know of any hardware which is limited as such, but eh.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linaro-mm-sig mailing list
> Linaro-mm-sig at lists.linaro.org
> http://lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/linaro-mm-sig
>

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-14 18:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-10  9:54 [PATCHv10 0/10] Contiguous Memory Allocator Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 01/10] lib: bitmap: Added alignment offset for bitmap_find_next_zero_area() Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 02/10] lib: genalloc: Generic allocator improvements Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10 11:24   ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 11:24     ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 11:24     ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 12:22     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10 12:22       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10 12:22       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10 12:52       ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 12:52         ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 12:52         ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 17:16         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-10 17:16           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-10 17:16           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 15:49         ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Jordan Crouse
2011-06-14 15:49           ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-14 15:49           ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm: move some functions from memory_hotplug.c to page_isolation.c Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm: alloc_contig_freed_pages() added Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: alloc_contig_range() added Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: MIGRATE_CMA migration type added Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: MIGRATE_CMA isolation functions added Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: cma: Contiguous Memory Allocator added Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10 16:21   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-10 16:21     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-10 16:21     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-13  9:05     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-13  9:05       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-13  9:05       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-14 13:49       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 13:49         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 13:49         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 13:55         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 13:55           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 13:55           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 16:03           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 16:03             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 16:03             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 16:58             ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 16:58               ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 16:58               ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 18:30               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 18:30                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 18:30                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 18:40                 ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 18:40                   ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 18:40                   ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15  7:11                 ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  7:11                   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  7:11                   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  7:37                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15  7:37                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15  7:37                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15  8:14                     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:14                       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:14                       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-16  0:48                     ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Philip Balister
2011-06-16  0:48                       ` Philip Balister
2011-06-16  0:48                       ` Philip Balister
2011-06-16  7:03                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16  7:03                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16  7:03                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16  7:03                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22  7:03                     ` Hans Verkuil
2011-06-22  7:03                       ` Hans Verkuil
2011-06-22  7:03                       ` Hans Verkuil
2011-06-22  7:32                       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22  7:32                         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22  7:32                         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 12:42                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 12:42                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 12:42                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 13:15                         ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22 13:15                           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22 13:15                           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22 13:39                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 13:39                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 13:39                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 13:39                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 16:04                             ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 16:04                               ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 16:04                               ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 15:54                           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 15:54                             ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 15:54                             ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15 11:53                 ` Daniel Vetter
2011-06-15 11:53                   ` Daniel Vetter
2011-06-15 11:53                   ` Daniel Vetter
2011-06-15 13:12                   ` Thomas Hellstrom
2011-06-15 13:12                     ` Thomas Hellstrom
2011-06-15 13:12                     ` Thomas Hellstrom
2011-06-17 16:08                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-17 16:08                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-17 16:08                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 17:01             ` Daniel Stone
2011-06-14 17:01               ` Daniel Stone
2011-06-14 17:01               ` Daniel Stone
2011-06-14 18:58               ` Zach Pfeffer [this message]
2011-06-14 18:58                 ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-06-14 18:58                 ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-06-14 20:42                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 20:42                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 20:42                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 21:01                   ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-14 21:01                     ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-14 21:01                     ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-15 11:27                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:27                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:27                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:27                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15  6:29                   ` Subash Patel
2011-06-15  8:36                   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:36                     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:36                     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15 21:39                     ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-15 21:39                       ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-15 21:39                       ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-15 22:06                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 22:06                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 22:06                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 17:01                         ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-16 17:01                           ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-16 17:01                           ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-17 12:45                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-17 12:45                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-17 12:45                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-07-04  5:25                         ` Ankita Garg
2011-07-04  5:25                           ` Ankita Garg
2011-07-04  5:25                           ` Ankita Garg
2011-07-04 14:45                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-07-04 14:45                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-07-04 14:45                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16  3:20                       ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-06-16  3:20                         ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-06-16  3:20                         ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-06-15  9:26                   ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15  9:26                     ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15  9:26                     ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15 11:20                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:20                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:20                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:30                       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15 11:30                         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15 11:30                         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15  6:01             ` Subash Patel
2011-06-15  6:01               ` Subash Patel
2011-06-15  6:01               ` Subash Patel
2011-06-15  8:02         ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:02           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:02           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15 11:14           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:14             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:14             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 09/10] ARM: integrate CMA with dma-mapping subsystem Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 10/10] ARM: S5PV210: add CMA support for FIMC devices on Aquila board Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski

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