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From: Cong Wang <amwang@redhat.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: make the threshold of enabling THP configurable
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:51:47 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E02E283.3080702@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110622144057.GW20843@redhat.com>

于 2011年06月22日 22:40, Andrea Arcangeli 写道:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 07:07:25PM +0800, Cong Wang wrote:
>> Actually, if we move this out of kernel, to user-space, everything
>> you worried will be solved by just changing the user-space code.
>> Just add the following pseudo code into your init script,
>>
>> if [ $total_memory -lt 512 ]
>> then
>> 	echo never>  /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
>> fi
>
> By the time this script runs some app may have allocated hugepages
> already potentially wasting mbytes of ram and undoing the
> min_free_kbytes isn't possible from userland using the kernel
> algorithm (it is possible actually but it's not nearly as simple as
> the above).

I remember there is a way to tell init-scripts to run it as early as
possible. :)

>
> There's no reason to complicate things and involve userland here when
> a simple kernel check can get the default right without userland
> dependency. Plus if this user really wants THP on 512m of ram he can
> still enable it and run hugeadm to enable antifrag too, without the
> need of =force. And forcing when PSE is enabled sounds impossible to be
> useful (maybe with the except of nopentium being passed to the kernel ;).
>
> There is no bug here, just send that printk cleanup and if you really
> want to save 8k the patch to change the number of hash heads structs
> at boot, like for dcache/icache. No other change required.


I never said this is a bug, I just don't think it is flexible. ;)

>
> After you do the above, you can go ahead picking one kernel crashing
> bug and fix it, that is more useful than making this 512m thing a
> .config variable or anything like that, .config is a nightmare already
> so it's probably better not to add anything there.

Well, I can't agree with this point.

Since we can't persuade each other, I give up.

Thanks.

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From: Cong Wang <amwang@redhat.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: make the threshold of enabling THP configurable
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:51:47 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E02E283.3080702@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110622144057.GW20843@redhat.com>

ao? 2011a1'06ae??22ae?JPY 22:40, Andrea Arcangeli a??e??:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 07:07:25PM +0800, Cong Wang wrote:
>> Actually, if we move this out of kernel, to user-space, everything
>> you worried will be solved by just changing the user-space code.
>> Just add the following pseudo code into your init script,
>>
>> if [ $total_memory -lt 512 ]
>> then
>> 	echo never>  /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
>> fi
>
> By the time this script runs some app may have allocated hugepages
> already potentially wasting mbytes of ram and undoing the
> min_free_kbytes isn't possible from userland using the kernel
> algorithm (it is possible actually but it's not nearly as simple as
> the above).

I remember there is a way to tell init-scripts to run it as early as
possible. :)

>
> There's no reason to complicate things and involve userland here when
> a simple kernel check can get the default right without userland
> dependency. Plus if this user really wants THP on 512m of ram he can
> still enable it and run hugeadm to enable antifrag too, without the
> need of =force. And forcing when PSE is enabled sounds impossible to be
> useful (maybe with the except of nopentium being passed to the kernel ;).
>
> There is no bug here, just send that printk cleanup and if you really
> want to save 8k the patch to change the number of hash heads structs
> at boot, like for dcache/icache. No other change required.


I never said this is a bug, I just don't think it is flexible. ;)

>
> After you do the above, you can go ahead picking one kernel crashing
> bug and fix it, that is more useful than making this 512m thing a
> .config variable or anything like that, .config is a nightmare already
> so it's probably better not to add anything there.

Well, I can't agree with this point.

Since we can't persuade each other, I give up.

Thanks.

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-23  6:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-21  8:10 [PATCH v2 1/4] mm: completely disable THP by transparent_hugepage=0 Amerigo Wang
2011-06-21  8:10 ` Amerigo Wang
2011-06-21  8:10 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: make the threshold of enabling THP configurable Amerigo Wang
2011-06-21  8:10   ` Amerigo Wang
2011-06-21 14:44   ` Dave Hansen
2011-06-21 14:44     ` Dave Hansen
2011-06-21 20:17     ` Dave Hansen
2011-06-21 20:17       ` Dave Hansen
2011-06-22  1:23   ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  1:23     ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  3:06     ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  3:06       ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  3:29       ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  3:29         ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  5:40         ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  5:40           ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  6:32           ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  6:32             ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22 11:07             ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22 11:07               ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22 14:40               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22 14:40                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-23  6:51                 ` Cong Wang [this message]
2011-06-23  6:51                   ` Cong Wang
2011-06-21  8:10 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: improve THP printk messages Amerigo Wang
2011-06-21  8:10   ` Amerigo Wang
2011-06-22  1:23   ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  1:23     ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  3:04     ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  3:04       ` Cong Wang
2011-06-21  8:10 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: introduce no_ksm to disable totally KSM Amerigo Wang
2011-06-21  8:10   ` Amerigo Wang
2011-06-21 13:32   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-21 13:32     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22  3:13     ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  3:13       ` Cong Wang
2011-06-21 11:52 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mm: completely disable THP by transparent_hugepage=0 Michal Hocko
2011-06-21 11:52   ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-21 11:58   ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-21 11:58     ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-21 13:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-21 13:30   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22  3:11   ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  3:11     ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  1:16 ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  1:16   ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  3:08   ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  3:08     ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  3:24     ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  3:24       ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  5:45       ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  5:45         ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22  6:23         ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22  6:23           ` David Rientjes
2011-06-22 11:08           ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22 11:08             ` Cong Wang

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