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From: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>
To: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <arnaldo.melo@gmail.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>,
	"Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo" <acme@redhat.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	arcml <linux-snps-arc@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 10:10:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <506c2df7-4088-9a18-91c0-c86b944714da@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190502164104.GB23984@kernel.org>

On 5/2/19 9:41 AM, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
>> While this takes care of immediate issues, for the long term, are you open to idea
>> of removing the header duplicity.
>
> In the beginning we used the kernel headers directly, then, acting on
> advice/complaints from Linus about tooling breaking when changes were
> made in the kernel sources we were using directly, we moved to have
> copies and notice when things change so that we could think about what
> changed and act accordingly, without putting the burden to the kernel
> developers to keep tools/ building, I want to keep it that way.

Sure, and the reduced duplicity I propose doesn't change that in any way. The onus
is still on perf maintainers to copy over any unistd changes - in the new regime,
it will be just lesser since we only care about a handful of syscalls, not the
entire unistd.


> Now you say, validly, that there are bits that are designed to be used
> by userspace, so for those, we should go back to not copying and using
> it direcly, elliminating the duplicity you don't like.

Indeed.

> I don't know, I'm used to the duplicity and the checks,

:-)

> not breaking
> tools even when kernel developers make mistakes in the UAPI headers,

Not sure how replacing the full header with just a small hunk, out of same header
out-of-line will change anything or cause any more breakage.

> tools/perf is self container wrt the latest and greatest stuff not
> present in older environments, and the onus is on perf developers to do
> the sync.

Sure it is, I'm proposing to make their work less, no more.


> This specific issue here happened because I made a mistake, which I
> fixed when reported,

Exactly, it was a genuien mistake with a super prompt followup - your promptness
is really appreciated and emulation worthy for other maintainers including myself ;-)

> now I have three containers for cross building for
> ARC, two versions for the uCLibc based toolchain, one for the glibc one,
> libnuma, elfutils and zlib are cross build there, so should make it less
> likely problems like this will happen again.

Ok, well lets leave it at that for now then.


>> We could use a "less evil" idiom of copying only the minimal bits (since the sync
>> onus remains one way or the other)
>> e.g. I spotted below in bpf code and also seen in other ah-hoc multi arch projects
>  
>> #ifdef __NR_xx
>> # if defined (__arch_y__)
>>
>> # elif defined (__arch_z__)
>>
>> # endif
>> #endif

Thx,
-Vineet

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From: Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com (Vineet Gupta)
To: linux-snps-arc@lists.infradead.org
Subject: perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 10:10:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <506c2df7-4088-9a18-91c0-c86b944714da@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190502164104.GB23984@kernel.org>

On 5/2/19 9:41 AM, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
>> While this takes care of immediate issues, for the long term, are you open to idea
>> of removing the header duplicity.
>
> In the beginning we used the kernel headers directly, then, acting on
> advice/complaints from Linus about tooling breaking when changes were
> made in the kernel sources we were using directly, we moved to have
> copies and notice when things change so that we could think about what
> changed and act accordingly, without putting the burden to the kernel
> developers to keep tools/ building, I want to keep it that way.

Sure, and the reduced duplicity I propose doesn't change that in any way. The onus
is still on perf maintainers to copy over any unistd changes - in the new regime,
it will be just lesser since we only care about a handful of syscalls, not the
entire unistd.


> Now you say, validly, that there are bits that are designed to be used
> by userspace, so for those, we should go back to not copying and using
> it direcly, elliminating the duplicity you don't like.

Indeed.

> I don't know, I'm used to the duplicity and the checks,

:-)

> not breaking
> tools even when kernel developers make mistakes in the UAPI headers,

Not sure how replacing the full header with just a small hunk, out of same header
out-of-line will change anything or cause any more breakage.

> tools/perf is self container wrt the latest and greatest stuff not
> present in older environments, and the onus is on perf developers to do
> the sync.

Sure it is, I'm proposing to make their work less, no more.


> This specific issue here happened because I made a mistake, which I
> fixed when reported,

Exactly, it was a genuien mistake with a super prompt followup - your promptness
is really appreciated and emulation worthy for other maintainers including myself ;-)

> now I have three containers for cross building for
> ARC, two versions for the uCLibc based toolchain, one for the glibc one,
> libnuma, elfutils and zlib are cross build there, so should make it less
> likely problems like this will happen again.

Ok, well lets leave it at that for now then.


>> We could use a "less evil" idiom of copying only the minimal bits (since the sync
>> onus remains one way or the other)
>> e.g. I spotted below in bpf code and also seen in other ah-hoc multi arch projects
>  
>> #ifdef __NR_xx
>> # if defined (__arch_y__)
>>
>> # elif defined (__arch_z__)
>>
>> # endif
>> #endif

Thx,
-Vineet

  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-02 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-19 23:32 perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1 Vineet Gupta
2019-04-19 23:32 ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-22 15:20 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-22 15:20   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-25 21:48   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-25 21:48     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-26 19:28     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-26 19:28       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-26 19:35       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-26 19:35         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-26 19:35         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-29 17:23         ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-29 17:23           ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-03  5:58         ` [tip:perf/urgent] tools arch uapi: Copy missing unistd.h headers for arc, hexagon and riscv tip-bot for Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-29 17:14     ` perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1 Vineet Gupta
2019-04-29 17:14       ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-30  1:18       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-30  1:18         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-30  1:18         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-30 15:53         ` Detecting libc in perf (was Re: perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1) Vineet Gupta
2019-04-30 15:53           ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-30 17:04           ` Rich Felker
2019-04-30 17:04             ` Rich Felker
2019-04-30 17:13             ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-30 17:13               ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-01  3:12               ` Rich Felker
2019-05-01  3:12                 ` Rich Felker
2019-05-02 16:55                 ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 16:55                   ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 16:55                   ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 20:09                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 20:09                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 20:09                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 16:53         ` perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1 Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 16:53           ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-29 17:17   ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-29 17:17     ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-30 16:12     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-04-30 16:12       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-01 20:41       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-01 20:41         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-01 21:17         ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-01 21:17           ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 14:36           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 14:36             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 14:36             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 15:41             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 15:41               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 16:09             ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 16:09               ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 16:09               ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 16:41               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 16:41                 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 17:10                 ` Vineet Gupta [this message]
2019-05-02 17:10                   ` Vineet Gupta

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