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From: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>, Jin Yao <yao.jin@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <arnaldo.melo@gmail.com>,
	"devel@uclibc-ng.org" <devel@uclibc-ng.org>,
	"linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	arcml <linux-snps-arc@lists.infradead.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, "Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Detecting libc in perf (was Re: perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 09:55:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <596d2166-1952-a392-ef05-d3f59abf9fd0@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190501031215.GZ23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

On 4/30/19 8:12 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
>>> What are you trying to achieve? I was just CC'd and I'm missing the
>>> context.
>>
>> Sorry I added you as a subject matter expert but didn't provide enough context.
>>
>> The original issue [1] was perf failing to build on ARC due to perf tools needing
>> a copy of unistd.h but this thread [2] was a small side issue of auto-detecting
>> libc variaint in perf tools where despite uClibc tools, glibc is declared to be
>> detected, due to uClibc's historical hack of defining __GLIBC__. So __GLIBC__ is
>> not sufficient (and probably not the right interface to begin wtih) to ensure glibc.
>>
>> [1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-snps-arc/2019-April/005676.html
>> [2] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-snps-arc/2019-April/005684.html
> 
> I think you misunderstood -- 

:-)

> I'm asking what you're trying to achieve
> by detecting whether the libc is glibc, rather than whether it has
> some particular interface you want to conditionally use. This is a
> major smell and is usually something wrong that shouldn't be done.

Good question indeed. Back in 2015 I initially ran into some quirks due to subtle
libc differences.  At the time perf has a fwd ref for strlcpy which exactly
matched glibc but not uClibc.  see commit  a83d869f300bf91 "(perf tools: Elide
strlcpy warning with uclibc)" or 0215d59b154 "(tools lib: Reinstate strlcpy()
header guard with __UCLIBC__)"

But this still used the libc defined symbol __UCLIBC__ or __GLIBC__

Your question however pertains to perf glibc feature check where perf generates an
alternate symbol HAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT.

This is dubious as first of all it detects glibc even for uClibc builds.

Even of we were to improve it, there seems to be no users of this symbol.

$git grep HAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT
perf/Makefile.config:  CFLAGS += -DHAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT
perf/builtin-version.c: STATUS(HAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT, glibc)

So I'd propose to remove it !

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>, Jin Yao <yao.jin@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "devel@uclibc-ng.org" <devel@uclibc-ng.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <arnaldo.melo@gmail.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	arcml <linux-snps-arc@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: Detecting libc in perf (was Re: perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 09:55:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <596d2166-1952-a392-ef05-d3f59abf9fd0@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190501031215.GZ23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

On 4/30/19 8:12 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
>>> What are you trying to achieve? I was just CC'd and I'm missing the
>>> context.
>>
>> Sorry I added you as a subject matter expert but didn't provide enough context.
>>
>> The original issue [1] was perf failing to build on ARC due to perf tools needing
>> a copy of unistd.h but this thread [2] was a small side issue of auto-detecting
>> libc variaint in perf tools where despite uClibc tools, glibc is declared to be
>> detected, due to uClibc's historical hack of defining __GLIBC__. So __GLIBC__ is
>> not sufficient (and probably not the right interface to begin wtih) to ensure glibc.
>>
>> [1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-snps-arc/2019-April/005676.html
>> [2] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-snps-arc/2019-April/005684.html
> 
> I think you misunderstood -- 

:-)

> I'm asking what you're trying to achieve
> by detecting whether the libc is glibc, rather than whether it has
> some particular interface you want to conditionally use. This is a
> major smell and is usually something wrong that shouldn't be done.

Good question indeed. Back in 2015 I initially ran into some quirks due to subtle
libc differences.  At the time perf has a fwd ref for strlcpy which exactly
matched glibc but not uClibc.  see commit  a83d869f300bf91 "(perf tools: Elide
strlcpy warning with uclibc)" or 0215d59b154 "(tools lib: Reinstate strlcpy()
header guard with __UCLIBC__)"

But this still used the libc defined symbol __UCLIBC__ or __GLIBC__

Your question however pertains to perf glibc feature check where perf generates an
alternate symbol HAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT.

This is dubious as first of all it detects glibc even for uClibc builds.

Even of we were to improve it, there seems to be no users of this symbol.

$git grep HAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT
perf/Makefile.config:  CFLAGS += -DHAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT
perf/builtin-version.c: STATUS(HAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT, glibc)

So I'd propose to remove it !

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com (Vineet Gupta)
To: linux-snps-arc@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Detecting libc in perf (was Re: perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 09:55:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <596d2166-1952-a392-ef05-d3f59abf9fd0@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190501031215.GZ23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

On 4/30/19 8:12 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
>>> What are you trying to achieve? I was just CC'd and I'm missing the
>>> context.
>>
>> Sorry I added you as a subject matter expert but didn't provide enough context.
>>
>> The original issue [1] was perf failing to build on ARC due to perf tools needing
>> a copy of unistd.h but this thread [2] was a small side issue of auto-detecting
>> libc variaint in perf tools where despite uClibc tools, glibc is declared to be
>> detected, due to uClibc's historical hack of defining __GLIBC__. So __GLIBC__ is
>> not sufficient (and probably not the right interface to begin wtih) to ensure glibc.
>>
>> [1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-snps-arc/2019-April/005676.html
>> [2] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-snps-arc/2019-April/005684.html
> 
> I think you misunderstood -- 

:-)

> I'm asking what you're trying to achieve
> by detecting whether the libc is glibc, rather than whether it has
> some particular interface you want to conditionally use. This is a
> major smell and is usually something wrong that shouldn't be done.

Good question indeed. Back in 2015 I initially ran into some quirks due to subtle
libc differences.  At the time perf has a fwd ref for strlcpy which exactly
matched glibc but not uClibc.  see commit  a83d869f300bf91 "(perf tools: Elide
strlcpy warning with uclibc)" or 0215d59b154 "(tools lib: Reinstate strlcpy()
header guard with __UCLIBC__)"

But this still used the libc defined symbol __UCLIBC__ or __GLIBC__

Your question however pertains to perf glibc feature check where perf generates an
alternate symbol HAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT.

This is dubious as first of all it detects glibc even for uClibc builds.

Even of we were to improve it, there seems to be no users of this symbol.

$git grep HAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT
perf/Makefile.config:  CFLAGS += -DHAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT
perf/builtin-version.c: STATUS(HAVE_GLIBC_SUPPORT, glibc)

So I'd propose to remove it !

  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-02 16:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-19 23:32 perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1 Vineet Gupta
2019-04-19 23:32 ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-22 15:20 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-22 15:20   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-25 21:48   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-25 21:48     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-26 19:28     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-26 19:28       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-26 19:35       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-26 19:35         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-26 19:35         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-29 17:23         ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-29 17:23           ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-03  5:58         ` [tip:perf/urgent] tools arch uapi: Copy missing unistd.h headers for arc, hexagon and riscv tip-bot for Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-29 17:14     ` perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1 Vineet Gupta
2019-04-29 17:14       ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-30  1:18       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-30  1:18         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-30  1:18         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-04-30 15:53         ` Detecting libc in perf (was Re: perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1) Vineet Gupta
2019-04-30 15:53           ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-30 17:04           ` Rich Felker
2019-04-30 17:04             ` Rich Felker
2019-04-30 17:13             ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-30 17:13               ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-01  3:12               ` Rich Felker
2019-05-01  3:12                 ` Rich Felker
2019-05-02 16:55                 ` Vineet Gupta [this message]
2019-05-02 16:55                   ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 16:55                   ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 20:09                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 20:09                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 20:09                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 16:53         ` perf tools build broken after v5.1-rc1 Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 16:53           ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-29 17:17   ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-29 17:17     ` Vineet Gupta
2019-04-30 16:12     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-04-30 16:12       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-01 20:41       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-01 20:41         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-01 21:17         ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-01 21:17           ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 14:36           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 14:36             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 14:36             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 15:41             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 15:41               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 16:09             ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 16:09               ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 16:09               ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 16:41               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 16:41                 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2019-05-02 17:10                 ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-02 17:10                   ` Vineet Gupta

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