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From: Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com>
To: Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Jason Evans <je@fb.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	yalin.wang2010@gmail.com, bmaurer@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/13] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:29:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <563A789C.5040409@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <563A7591.7080607@gmail.com>

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> That's comparable to Android's pinning / unpinning API for ashmem and I
> think it makes sense if it's faster. It's different than the MADV_FREE
> API though, because the new allocations that are handed out won't have
> the usual lazy commit which MADV_FREE provides. Pages in an allocation
> that's handed out can still be dropped until they are actually written
> to. It's considered active by jemalloc either way, but only a subset of
> the active pages are actually committed. There's probably a use case for
> both of these systems.

Also, consider that MADV_FREE would allow jemalloc to be extremely
aggressive with purging when it actually has to do it. It can start with
the largest span of memory and it can mark more than strictly necessary
to drop below the ratio as there's no cost to using the memory again
(not even a system call).

Since the main cost is using the system call at all, there's going to be
pressure to mark the largest possible spans in one go. It will mean
concentration on memory compaction will improve performance. I think
that's the right direction for the kernel to be guiding userspace. It
will play better with THP than the allocator trying to be very precise
with purging based on aging.


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From: Daniel Micay <danielmicay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Shaohua Li <shli-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	Michael Kerrisk
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro
	<kosaki.motohiro-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	Jason Evans <je-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov"
	<kirill-oKw7cIdHH8eLwutG50LtGA@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	yalin.wang2010-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	bmaurer-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/13] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:29:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <563A789C.5040409@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <563A7591.7080607-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

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> That's comparable to Android's pinning / unpinning API for ashmem and I
> think it makes sense if it's faster. It's different than the MADV_FREE
> API though, because the new allocations that are handed out won't have
> the usual lazy commit which MADV_FREE provides. Pages in an allocation
> that's handed out can still be dropped until they are actually written
> to. It's considered active by jemalloc either way, but only a subset of
> the active pages are actually committed. There's probably a use case for
> both of these systems.

Also, consider that MADV_FREE would allow jemalloc to be extremely
aggressive with purging when it actually has to do it. It can start with
the largest span of memory and it can mark more than strictly necessary
to drop below the ratio as there's no cost to using the memory again
(not even a system call).

Since the main cost is using the system call at all, there's going to be
pressure to mark the largest possible spans in one go. It will mean
concentration on memory compaction will improve performance. I think
that's the right direction for the kernel to be guiding userspace. It
will play better with THP than the allocator trying to be very precise
with purging based on aging.


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  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-04 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-04  1:25 [PATCH v2 00/13] MADV_FREE support Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE) Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  2:16   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04  2:16     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04  2:16     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04 23:39     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 23:39       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 23:39       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  3:41       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-05  3:41         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-05  3:41         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04  2:29   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04  2:29     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04 23:40     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 23:40       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 23:40       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  3:41   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04  3:41     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04  3:41     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04  5:50     ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04  5:53       ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04  5:53         ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04  6:04         ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04 18:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04 18:23         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04 22:05         ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-05 18:17           ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-05 18:17             ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-05 18:17             ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-05 20:13             ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-05 20:14               ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-05 20:14                 ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-05  0:13     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  0:13       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  0:13       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  0:42       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-05  0:42         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-05  0:56         ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  0:56           ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:29           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-05  1:29             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-05  1:48             ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:48               ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:48               ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 20:00   ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-04 20:00     ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-04 20:00     ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-04 21:16     ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04 21:16       ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04 21:29       ` Daniel Micay [this message]
2015-11-04 21:29         ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04 21:43     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04 21:43       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-05  1:33     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:33       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:33       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:37       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:37         ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:37         ` Minchan Kim
2015-12-01 22:30     ` John Stultz
2015-12-01 22:30       ` John Stultz
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] mm: define MADV_FREE for some arches Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] arch: uapi: asm: mman.h: Let MADV_FREE have same value for all architectures Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] mm: free swp_entry in madvise_free Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] mm: move lazily freed pages to inactive list Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] mm: clear PG_dirty to mark page freeable Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] mm: mark stable page dirty in KSM Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] x86: add pmd_[dirty|mkclean] for THP Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] sparc: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] powerpc: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] arm: add pmd_mkclean " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] arm64: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] mm: don't split THP page when syscall is called Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-12-05 11:10 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] MADV_FREE support Pavel Machek
2015-12-05 11:10   ` Pavel Machek
2015-12-05 15:51   ` Daniel Micay
2015-12-05 15:51     ` Daniel Micay

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