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From: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
Cc: Eugene Syromiatnikov <esyr@redhat.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 6/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add arch_prctl functions for IBT
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 09:25:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5fad8118868739a452b8f5834290a04f1b343775.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXTqxQLWEHhSQ6WsDosnD61rnN2TgAFFomVAf5URP4DzA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 09:12 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:08 AM Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> wrote:
> > 
> > * Yu-cheng Yu:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 15:28 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 08:05:50AM -0700, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
> > > > > Update ARCH_CET_STATUS and ARCH_CET_DISABLE to include Indirect
> > > > > Branch Tracking features.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Introduce:
> > > > > 
> > > > > arch_prctl(ARCH_CET_LEGACY_BITMAP, unsigned long *addr)
> > > > >     Enable the Indirect Branch Tracking legacy code bitmap.
> > > > > 
> > > > >     The parameter 'addr' is a pointer to a user buffer.
> > > > >     On returning to the caller, the kernel fills the following:
> > > > > 
> > > > >     *addr = IBT bitmap base address
> > > > >     *(addr + 1) = IBT bitmap size
> > > > 
> > > > Again, some structure with a size field would be better from
> > > > UAPI/extensibility standpoint.
> > > > 
> > > > One additional point: "size" in the structure from kernel should have
> > > > structure size expected by kernel, and at least providing there "0" from
> > > > user space shouldn't lead to failure (in fact, it is possible to provide
> > > > structure size back to userspace even if buffer is too small, along
> > > > with error).
> > > 
> > > This has been in GLIBC v2.28.  We cannot change it anymore.
> > 
> > In theory, you could, if you change the ARCH_CET_LEGACY_BITMAP
> > constant, so that glibc will not use the different arch_prctl
> > operation.  We could backport the change into the glibc 2.28 dynamic
> > linker, so that existing binaries will start using CET again.  Then
> > only statically linked binaries will be impacted.
> > 
> > It's definitely not ideal, but it's doable if the interface is
> > terminally broken or otherwise unacceptable.  But to me it looks like
> > this threshold isn't reached here.
> 
> I tend to agree.
> 
> But I do think there's a real problem that should be fixed and won't
> affect ABI: the *name* of the prctl is pretty bad.  I read the test
> several times trying to decide if you meant
> ARCH_GET_CET_LEGACY_BITMAP?  But you don't.
> 
> Maybe name it ARCH_CET_CREATE_LEGACY_BITMAP?  And explicitly document
> what it does if legacy bitmap already exists?

I will fix it.

Yu-cheng

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
Cc: Eugene Syromiatnikov <esyr@redhat.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	"H. J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>,
	Oleg
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 6/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add arch_prctl functions for IBT
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 09:25:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5fad8118868739a452b8f5834290a04f1b343775.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXTqxQLWEHhSQ6WsDosnD61rnN2TgAFFomVAf5URP4DzA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 09:12 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:08 AM Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> wrote:
> > 
> > * Yu-cheng Yu:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 15:28 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 08:05:50AM -0700, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
> > > > > Update ARCH_CET_STATUS and ARCH_CET_DISABLE to include Indirect
> > > > > Branch Tracking features.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Introduce:
> > > > > 
> > > > > arch_prctl(ARCH_CET_LEGACY_BITMAP, unsigned long *addr)
> > > > >     Enable the Indirect Branch Tracking legacy code bitmap.
> > > > > 
> > > > >     The parameter 'addr' is a pointer to a user buffer.
> > > > >     On returning to the caller, the kernel fills the following:
> > > > > 
> > > > >     *addr = IBT bitmap base address
> > > > >     *(addr + 1) = IBT bitmap size
> > > > 
> > > > Again, some structure with a size field would be better from
> > > > UAPI/extensibility standpoint.
> > > > 
> > > > One additional point: "size" in the structure from kernel should have
> > > > structure size expected by kernel, and at least providing there "0" from
> > > > user space shouldn't lead to failure (in fact, it is possible to provide
> > > > structure size back to userspace even if buffer is too small, along
> > > > with error).
> > > 
> > > This has been in GLIBC v2.28.  We cannot change it anymore.
> > 
> > In theory, you could, if you change the ARCH_CET_LEGACY_BITMAP
> > constant, so that glibc will not use the different arch_prctl
> > operation.  We could backport the change into the glibc 2.28 dynamic
> > linker, so that existing binaries will start using CET again.  Then
> > only statically linked binaries will be impacted.
> > 
> > It's definitely not ideal, but it's doable if the interface is
> > terminally broken or otherwise unacceptable.  But to me it looks like
> > this threshold isn't reached here.
> 
> I tend to agree.
> 
> But I do think there's a real problem that should be fixed and won't
> affect ABI: the *name* of the prctl is pretty bad.  I read the test
> several times trying to decide if you meant
> ARCH_GET_CET_LEGACY_BITMAP?  But you don't.
> 
> Maybe name it ARCH_CET_CREATE_LEGACY_BITMAP?  And explicitly document
> what it does if legacy bitmap already exists?

I will fix it.

Yu-cheng

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-04 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-21 15:05 [RFC PATCH v4 0/9] Control Flow Enforcement: Branch Tracking, PTRACE Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add Kconfig option for user-mode Indirect Branch Tracking Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/9] x86/cet/ibt: User-mode indirect branch tracking support Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-03 18:58   ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-03 18:58     ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add IBT legacy code bitmap allocation function Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-03 19:57   ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-03 19:57     ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-05 16:13     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-05 16:13       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-05 16:28       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-05 16:28         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-05 16:58         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-05 16:58           ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-05 16:58           ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-05 17:07           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-05 17:07             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-05 17:26             ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-05 17:26               ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-05 17:26               ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-10 15:56               ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-10 15:56                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-10 15:56                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-04 16:11   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 16:11     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/9] mm/mmap: Add IBT bitmap size to address space limit check Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-03 20:21   ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-03 20:21     ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 5/9] x86/cet/ibt: ELF header parsing for IBT Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 6/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add arch_prctl functions " Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-04 13:28   ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-04 13:28     ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-04 15:37     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-04 15:37       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-04 16:07       ` Florian Weimer
2018-10-04 16:07         ` Florian Weimer
2018-10-04 16:12         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 16:12           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 16:25           ` Yu-cheng Yu [this message]
2018-10-04 16:25             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-04 16:08       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 16:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 7/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add ENDBR to op-code-map Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 8/9] x86: Insert endbr32/endbr64 to vDSO Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 9/9] x86/cet: Add PTRACE interface for CET Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu

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