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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
Cc: Eugene Syromiatnikov <esyr@redhat.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	"H. J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	"Shanbhogue, Vedvyas" <vedvyas.shanbhogue@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 6/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add arch_prctl functions for IBT
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 09:08:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWTu-zuSKn6e3=QkP4_ca8PJfuevMD8KJq0VX3nq7Hw8Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3350f7b42b32f3f7a1963a9c9c526210c24f7b05.camel@intel.com>

> On Oct 4, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 15:28 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 08:05:50AM -0700, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
>>> Update ARCH_CET_STATUS and ARCH_CET_DISABLE to include Indirect
>>> Branch Tracking features.
>>>
>>> Introduce:
>>>
>>> arch_prctl(ARCH_CET_LEGACY_BITMAP, unsigned long *addr)
>>>    Enable the Indirect Branch Tracking legacy code bitmap.
>>>
>>>    The parameter 'addr' is a pointer to a user buffer.
>>>    On returning to the caller, the kernel fills the following:
>>>
>>>    *addr = IBT bitmap base address
>>>    *(addr + 1) = IBT bitmap size
>>
>> Again, some structure with a size field would be better from
>> UAPI/extensibility standpoint.
>>
>> One additional point: "size" in the structure from kernel should have
>> structure size expected by kernel, and at least providing there "0" from
>> user space shouldn't lead to failure (in fact, it is possible to provide
>> structure size back to userspace even if buffer is too small, along
>> with error).
>
> This has been in GLIBC v2.28.  We cannot change it anymore.

Sure you can. Just change ARCH_CET_LEGACY_BITMAP to a new number.  You
might need to change all the constants.  And if the ELF note by itself
causes a problem too, you may need to rename it.  And maybe ask glibc
to kindly not enable code that depends on non-upstreamed kernel
features.

There is not, and has never been, any ABI compatibility requirement
that says that, if glibc 2.28 "enables" a feature, that the kernel
will ever enable it in a way that makes glibc 2.28 actually support
it.  All the kernel needs to do is avoid making glibc 2.28 *crash*.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
Cc: Eugene Syromiatnikov <esyr@redhat.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	"H. J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>,
	Oleg
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 6/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add arch_prctl functions for IBT
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 09:08:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWTu-zuSKn6e3=QkP4_ca8PJfuevMD8KJq0VX3nq7Hw8Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3350f7b42b32f3f7a1963a9c9c526210c24f7b05.camel@intel.com>

> On Oct 4, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 15:28 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 08:05:50AM -0700, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
>>> Update ARCH_CET_STATUS and ARCH_CET_DISABLE to include Indirect
>>> Branch Tracking features.
>>>
>>> Introduce:
>>>
>>> arch_prctl(ARCH_CET_LEGACY_BITMAP, unsigned long *addr)
>>>    Enable the Indirect Branch Tracking legacy code bitmap.
>>>
>>>    The parameter 'addr' is a pointer to a user buffer.
>>>    On returning to the caller, the kernel fills the following:
>>>
>>>    *addr = IBT bitmap base address
>>>    *(addr + 1) = IBT bitmap size
>>
>> Again, some structure with a size field would be better from
>> UAPI/extensibility standpoint.
>>
>> One additional point: "size" in the structure from kernel should have
>> structure size expected by kernel, and at least providing there "0" from
>> user space shouldn't lead to failure (in fact, it is possible to provide
>> structure size back to userspace even if buffer is too small, along
>> with error).
>
> This has been in GLIBC v2.28.  We cannot change it anymore.

Sure you can. Just change ARCH_CET_LEGACY_BITMAP to a new number.  You
might need to change all the constants.  And if the ELF note by itself
causes a problem too, you may need to rename it.  And maybe ask glibc
to kindly not enable code that depends on non-upstreamed kernel
features.

There is not, and has never been, any ABI compatibility requirement
that says that, if glibc 2.28 "enables" a feature, that the kernel
will ever enable it in a way that makes glibc 2.28 actually support
it.  All the kernel needs to do is avoid making glibc 2.28 *crash*.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-04 16:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-21 15:05 [RFC PATCH v4 0/9] Control Flow Enforcement: Branch Tracking, PTRACE Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add Kconfig option for user-mode Indirect Branch Tracking Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/9] x86/cet/ibt: User-mode indirect branch tracking support Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-03 18:58   ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-03 18:58     ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add IBT legacy code bitmap allocation function Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-03 19:57   ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-03 19:57     ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-05 16:13     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-05 16:13       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-05 16:28       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-05 16:28         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-05 16:58         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-05 16:58           ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-05 16:58           ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-05 17:07           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-05 17:07             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-05 17:26             ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-05 17:26               ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-05 17:26               ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-10 15:56               ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-10 15:56                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-10 15:56                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-04 16:11   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 16:11     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/9] mm/mmap: Add IBT bitmap size to address space limit check Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-03 20:21   ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-03 20:21     ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 5/9] x86/cet/ibt: ELF header parsing for IBT Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 6/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add arch_prctl functions " Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-04 13:28   ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-04 13:28     ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2018-10-04 15:37     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-04 15:37       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-04 16:07       ` Florian Weimer
2018-10-04 16:07         ` Florian Weimer
2018-10-04 16:12         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 16:12           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 16:25           ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-04 16:25             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-10-04 16:08       ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-10-04 16:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 7/9] x86/cet/ibt: Add ENDBR to op-code-map Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 8/9] x86: Insert endbr32/endbr64 to vDSO Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 9/9] x86/cet: Add PTRACE interface for CET Yu-cheng Yu
2018-09-21 15:05   ` Yu-cheng Yu

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