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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [qemu patch 2/2] kvmclock: reduce kvmclock difference on migration
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:00:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <67bffd95-2e4e-7273-c154-a3fdfe622387@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161114145054.GA28663@amt.cnet>



On 14/11/2016 15:50, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> Well, i didnt want to mix the meaning of the variables:
> 
> +    /* whether machine supports reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK */
> +    bool mach_use_reliable_get_clock;
> +
> +    /* whether source host supported reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK */
> +    bool src_use_reliable_get_clock;
> 
> See the comments on top (later if you look at the variable, 
> then have to think: well it has one name, but its disabled 
> by that other path as well, so its more than its 
> name,etc...).
> 
>> I'm thinking "mach_use_reliable_get_clock is just for migration,
> 
> Thats whether the machine supports it. New machines have it enabled,
> olders don't.

Yes.

>> src_use_reliable_get_clock is the state". 
> 
> Thats whether the migration source supported it.

But it's not used only for migration.  It's used on every vmstate change
(running->stop and stop->running, isn't it?  I think that, apart from
the migration case, it's better to use s->clock if kvmclock is stable,
even on older machine types.

>>>>> +static bool kvmclock_src_use_reliable_get_clock(void *opaque)
>>>>> +{
>>>>> +    KVMClockState *s = opaque;
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    /*
>>>>> +     * On machine types that support reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK,
>>>>> +     * if host kernel does provide reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK,
>>>>> +     * set src_use_reliable_get_clock=true so that destination
>>>>> +     * avoids reading kvmclock from memory.
>>>>> +     */
>>>>> +    if (s->mach_use_reliable_get_clock && kvm_has_adjust_clock_stable()) {
>>>>> +        s->src_use_reliable_get_clock = true;
>>>>> +    }
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    return s->src_use_reliable_get_clock;
>>>>> +}
>>>>
>>>> Here you can just return s->mach_use_reliable_get_clock. 
>>>
>>> mach_use_reliable_get_clock can be true but host might not support it.
>>
>> Yes, but the "needed" function is only required to avoid breaking
>> pc-i440fx-2.7 and earlier. 
> 
> "needed" is required so that the migration between:
> 
> SRC             DEST                BEHAVIOUR
> ~support        supports            on migration read from guest,
>                                     on stop/cont use
>                                     kvm_get_clock/kvm_set_clock
> 
> Destination does not use KVM_GET_CLOCK value (which is
> broken and should not be used).

If needed returns false, the destination will see
src_use_reliable_get_clock = false anyway.

If needed returns true, the destination can still see
src_use_reliable_get_clock = false if that's the value.

needed	src_use_reliable_get_clock	effect
false	false				use kvmclock_current_nsec
false	true				use kvmclock_current_nsec
true	false				use kvmclock_current_nsec
true	true				use s->clock


So the idea is:

- set s->clock and s->reliable_get_clock on every KVM_GET_CLOCK

- on migration source, use subsections and
s->mach_use_reliable_get_clock to avoid breaking migration on pre-2.8
machine types

- on migration destination, use .pre_load so that s->reliable_get_clock
is initialized to false on older machine types

>> If you return true here, you can still
>> migrate a "false" value for src_use_reliable_get_clock.
> 
> But the source only uses a reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK if 
> both conditions are true.
> 
> And the subsection is only needed if the source
> uses a reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK.

Yes, but the point of the subsection is just to avoid breaking migration
format.

>> It is the same as "is using masterclock", which is actually a stricter
>> condition than the KVM_CHECK_EXTENSION return value.  The right check to
>> use is whether masterclock is in use, 
> 
> Actually its "has a reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK" (which returns 
> get_kernel_clock() + (rdtsc() - tsc_timestamp), 
> 
> "broken KVM_GET_CLOCK" =  get_kernel_clock()

Yes.  And these end up being the same.

Paolo

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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [qemu patch 2/2] kvmclock: reduce kvmclock difference on migration
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:00:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <67bffd95-2e4e-7273-c154-a3fdfe622387@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161114145054.GA28663@amt.cnet>



On 14/11/2016 15:50, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> Well, i didnt want to mix the meaning of the variables:
> 
> +    /* whether machine supports reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK */
> +    bool mach_use_reliable_get_clock;
> +
> +    /* whether source host supported reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK */
> +    bool src_use_reliable_get_clock;
> 
> See the comments on top (later if you look at the variable, 
> then have to think: well it has one name, but its disabled 
> by that other path as well, so its more than its 
> name,etc...).
> 
>> I'm thinking "mach_use_reliable_get_clock is just for migration,
> 
> Thats whether the machine supports it. New machines have it enabled,
> olders don't.

Yes.

>> src_use_reliable_get_clock is the state". 
> 
> Thats whether the migration source supported it.

But it's not used only for migration.  It's used on every vmstate change
(running->stop and stop->running, isn't it?  I think that, apart from
the migration case, it's better to use s->clock if kvmclock is stable,
even on older machine types.

>>>>> +static bool kvmclock_src_use_reliable_get_clock(void *opaque)
>>>>> +{
>>>>> +    KVMClockState *s = opaque;
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    /*
>>>>> +     * On machine types that support reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK,
>>>>> +     * if host kernel does provide reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK,
>>>>> +     * set src_use_reliable_get_clock=true so that destination
>>>>> +     * avoids reading kvmclock from memory.
>>>>> +     */
>>>>> +    if (s->mach_use_reliable_get_clock && kvm_has_adjust_clock_stable()) {
>>>>> +        s->src_use_reliable_get_clock = true;
>>>>> +    }
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    return s->src_use_reliable_get_clock;
>>>>> +}
>>>>
>>>> Here you can just return s->mach_use_reliable_get_clock. 
>>>
>>> mach_use_reliable_get_clock can be true but host might not support it.
>>
>> Yes, but the "needed" function is only required to avoid breaking
>> pc-i440fx-2.7 and earlier. 
> 
> "needed" is required so that the migration between:
> 
> SRC             DEST                BEHAVIOUR
> ~support        supports            on migration read from guest,
>                                     on stop/cont use
>                                     kvm_get_clock/kvm_set_clock
> 
> Destination does not use KVM_GET_CLOCK value (which is
> broken and should not be used).

If needed returns false, the destination will see
src_use_reliable_get_clock = false anyway.

If needed returns true, the destination can still see
src_use_reliable_get_clock = false if that's the value.

needed	src_use_reliable_get_clock	effect
false	false				use kvmclock_current_nsec
false	true				use kvmclock_current_nsec
true	false				use kvmclock_current_nsec
true	true				use s->clock


So the idea is:

- set s->clock and s->reliable_get_clock on every KVM_GET_CLOCK

- on migration source, use subsections and
s->mach_use_reliable_get_clock to avoid breaking migration on pre-2.8
machine types

- on migration destination, use .pre_load so that s->reliable_get_clock
is initialized to false on older machine types

>> If you return true here, you can still
>> migrate a "false" value for src_use_reliable_get_clock.
> 
> But the source only uses a reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK if 
> both conditions are true.
> 
> And the subsection is only needed if the source
> uses a reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK.

Yes, but the point of the subsection is just to avoid breaking migration
format.

>> It is the same as "is using masterclock", which is actually a stricter
>> condition than the KVM_CHECK_EXTENSION return value.  The right check to
>> use is whether masterclock is in use, 
> 
> Actually its "has a reliable KVM_GET_CLOCK" (which returns 
> get_kernel_clock() + (rdtsc() - tsc_timestamp), 
> 
> "broken KVM_GET_CLOCK" =  get_kernel_clock()

Yes.  And these end up being the same.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-14 15:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-14 12:36 [qemu patch 0/2] improve kvmclock difference on migration Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 12:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 12:36 ` [qemu patch 1/2] kvm: sync linux headers Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 12:36   ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 12:36 ` [qemu patch 2/2] kvmclock: reduce kvmclock difference on migration Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 12:36   ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 13:54   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-14 13:54     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-14 14:00     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 14:00       ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 14:22       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-14 14:22         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-14 14:50         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 14:50           ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 15:00           ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2016-11-14 15:00             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-14 15:40             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 15:40               ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 16:43               ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-14 16:43                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-14 17:13                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 17:13                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 17:20                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-14 17:20                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-14 18:15                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 18:15                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-17 12:16                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-17 12:16                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-17 13:03                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-17 13:03                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-28 13:47                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-28 13:47                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-28 14:28                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-11-28 14:28                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-11-28 15:12                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-28 15:12                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-28 16:36                           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-28 16:36                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-28 17:30                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-28 17:30                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-14 14:11     ` Juan Quintela
2016-11-14 14:11       ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2016-11-14 14:09   ` Juan Quintela
2016-11-14 14:09     ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2016-11-14 15:37     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-11-14 15:37       ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti

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