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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v9 for 4.15 01/14] Restartable sequences system call
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:40:16 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <695804241.40580.1507902016119.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19edaac0-98d7-e7a0-aceb-b861a2befce4@redhat.com>

----- On Oct 13, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Florian Weimer fweimer@redhat.com wrote:

> On 10/13/2017 01:03 AM, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> Expose a new system call allowing each thread to register one userspace
>> memory area to be used as an ABI between kernel and user-space for two
>> purposes: user-space restartable sequences and quick access to read the
>> current CPU number value from user-space.
>> 
>> * Restartable sequences (per-cpu atomics)
>> 
>> Restartables sequences allow user-space to perform update operations on
>> per-cpu data without requiring heavy-weight atomic operations.
>> 
>> The restartable critical sections (percpu atomics) work has been started
>> by Paul Turner and Andrew Hunter. It lets the kernel handle restart of
>> critical sections. [1] [2] The re-implementation proposed here brings a
>> few simplifications to the ABI which facilitates porting to other
>> architectures and speeds up the user-space fast path.

This part:

>> A locking-based
>> fall-back, purely implemented in user-space, is proposed here to deal
>> with debugger single-stepping. This fallback interacts with rseq_start()
>> and rseq_finish(), which force retries in response to concurrent
>> lock-based activity.

should have been updated in this series to:

A second system call, cpu_opv(), is proposed as fallback to deal with debugger
single-stepping. cpu_opv() executes a sequence of operations on behalf of
user-space with preemption disabled.

> This functionality essentially relies on writable function pointers (or
> pointers to data containing function pointers), right?  Is there a way
> to make this a less attractive target for exploit writers?

The proposed ABI does not require to store any function pointer. For a given
rseq_finish() critical section, pointers to specific instructions (within a
function) are emitted at link-time into a struct rseq_cs:

struct rseq_cs {
        RSEQ_FIELD_u32_u64(start_ip);
        RSEQ_FIELD_u32_u64(post_commit_ip);
        RSEQ_FIELD_u32_u64(abort_ip);
        uint32_t flags;
} __attribute__((aligned(4 * sizeof(uint64_t))));

Then, at runtime, the fast-path stores the address of that struct rseq_cs
into the TLS struct rseq "rseq_cs" field.

So all we store at runtime is a pointer to data, not a pointer to functions.

But you seem to hint that having a pointer to data containing pointers to code
may still be making it easier for exploit writers. Can you elaborate on the
scenario ?

Thanks,

Mathieu


> 
> Thanks,
> Florian

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>, Catalin Marinas <catalin.>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v9 for 4.15 01/14] Restartable sequences system call
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:40:16 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <695804241.40580.1507902016119.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19edaac0-98d7-e7a0-aceb-b861a2befce4@redhat.com>

----- On Oct 13, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Florian Weimer fweimer@redhat.com wrote:

> On 10/13/2017 01:03 AM, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> Expose a new system call allowing each thread to register one userspace
>> memory area to be used as an ABI between kernel and user-space for two
>> purposes: user-space restartable sequences and quick access to read the
>> current CPU number value from user-space.
>> 
>> * Restartable sequences (per-cpu atomics)
>> 
>> Restartables sequences allow user-space to perform update operations on
>> per-cpu data without requiring heavy-weight atomic operations.
>> 
>> The restartable critical sections (percpu atomics) work has been started
>> by Paul Turner and Andrew Hunter. It lets the kernel handle restart of
>> critical sections. [1] [2] The re-implementation proposed here brings a
>> few simplifications to the ABI which facilitates porting to other
>> architectures and speeds up the user-space fast path.

This part:

>> A locking-based
>> fall-back, purely implemented in user-space, is proposed here to deal
>> with debugger single-stepping. This fallback interacts with rseq_start()
>> and rseq_finish(), which force retries in response to concurrent
>> lock-based activity.

should have been updated in this series to:

A second system call, cpu_opv(), is proposed as fallback to deal with debugger
single-stepping. cpu_opv() executes a sequence of operations on behalf of
user-space with preemption disabled.

> This functionality essentially relies on writable function pointers (or
> pointers to data containing function pointers), right?  Is there a way
> to make this a less attractive target for exploit writers?

The proposed ABI does not require to store any function pointer. For a given
rseq_finish() critical section, pointers to specific instructions (within a
function) are emitted at link-time into a struct rseq_cs:

struct rseq_cs {
        RSEQ_FIELD_u32_u64(start_ip);
        RSEQ_FIELD_u32_u64(post_commit_ip);
        RSEQ_FIELD_u32_u64(abort_ip);
        uint32_t flags;
} __attribute__((aligned(4 * sizeof(uint64_t))));

Then, at runtime, the fast-path stores the address of that struct rseq_cs
into the TLS struct rseq "rseq_cs" field.

So all we store at runtime is a pointer to data, not a pointer to functions.

But you seem to hint that having a pointer to data containing pointers to code
may still be making it easier for exploit writers. Can you elaborate on the
scenario ?

Thanks,

Mathieu


> 
> Thanks,
> Florian

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-13 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-12 23:03 [RFC PATCH v9 for 4.15 00/14] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector system calls Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH v9 for 4.15 01/14] Restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-13  0:36   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-13  0:36     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-13  9:35     ` Ben Maurer
2017-10-13  9:35       ` Ben Maurer
2017-10-13 18:30       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-13 18:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-13 20:54         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-13 20:54           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-13 21:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-13 21:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-13 21:21             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-13 21:21               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-13 21:36             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-13 21:36               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-16 16:04               ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-10-16 16:04                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-10-16 16:46                 ` Andi Kleen
2017-10-16 16:46                   ` Andi Kleen
2017-10-16 22:17                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-16 22:17                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-17 16:19                     ` Ben Maurer
2017-10-17 16:19                       ` Ben Maurer
2017-10-17 16:33                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-17 16:33                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-17 16:41                         ` Ben Maurer
2017-10-17 16:41                           ` Ben Maurer
2017-10-17 17:48                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-17 17:48                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-18  6:22                       ` Greg KH
2017-10-18  6:22                         ` Greg KH
2017-10-18 16:28                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-18 16:28                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-14  3:01         ` Andi Kleen
2017-10-14  3:01           ` Andi Kleen
2017-10-14  4:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-14  4:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-14 11:37             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-14 11:37               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-13 12:50   ` Florian Weimer
2017-10-13 13:40     ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2017-10-13 13:40       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-13 13:56       ` Florian Weimer
2017-10-13 13:56         ` Florian Weimer
2017-10-13 14:27         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-13 14:27           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-13 17:24           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-10-13 17:24             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-10-13 17:53             ` Florian Weimer
2017-10-13 17:53               ` Florian Weimer
2017-10-13 18:17               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-10-13 18:17                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-10-14 11:53                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-14 11:53                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-18 16:41   ` Ben Maurer
2017-10-18 18:11     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-18 18:11       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-19 11:35       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-19 11:35         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-19 17:01         ` Florian Weimer
2017-10-19 17:01           ` Florian Weimer
2017-10-23 17:30       ` Ben Maurer
2017-10-23 17:30         ` Ben Maurer
2017-10-23 20:44         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-23 20:44           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 02/14] tracing: instrument restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 03/14] Restartable sequences: ARM 32 architecture support Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 04/14] Restartable sequences: wire up ARM 32 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 05/14] Restartable sequences: x86 32/64 architecture support Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 06/14] Restartable sequences: wire up x86 32/64 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 07/14] Restartable sequences: powerpc architecture support Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 08/14] Restartable sequences: Wire up powerpc system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 09/14] Provide cpu_opv " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-13 13:57   ` Alan Cox
2017-10-13 13:57     ` Alan Cox
2017-10-13 14:50     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-13 14:50       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-14 14:22       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-14 14:22         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-13 17:20   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-10-13 17:20     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-10-14  2:50   ` Andi Kleen
2017-10-14  2:50     ` Andi Kleen
2017-10-14 13:35     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-14 13:35       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 10/14] cpu_opv: Wire up x86 32/64 " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 11/14] cpu_opv: Wire up powerpc " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 12/14] cpu_opv: Wire up ARM32 " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 13/14] cpu_opv: Implement selftests Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-12 23:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 14/14] Restartable sequences: Provide self-tests Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-16  2:51   ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-16  2:51     ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-16 14:23     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-16 14:23       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-17 10:38       ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-17 10:38         ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-17 13:50         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-17 13:50           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-16 18:50     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-16 18:50       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-17 10:36       ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-17 10:36         ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-17 13:50         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-17 13:50           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-10-18  5:45           ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-18  5:45             ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-16  3:00   ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-16  3:00     ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-16  3:48     ` Boqun Feng
2017-10-16  3:48       ` Boqun Feng
2017-10-16 11:48       ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-16 11:48         ` Michael Ellerman

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