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From: Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	Mario Limonciello <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	linux-nvme <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rajat Jain <rajatja@google.com>
Subject: Re: [Regression] Commit "nvme/pci: Use host managed power state for suspend" has problems
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 17:05:54 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <70D536BE-8DC7-4CA2-84A9-AFB067BA520E@canonical.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0hxYGBXau39sb80MQ8jbZZCzH0JU2DYZvn9JOtYT2+30g@mail.gmail.com>

at 06:33, Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 12:22 AM Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 11:25:51PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> A couple of remarks if you will.
>>>
>>> First, we don't know which case is the majority at this point.  For
>>> now, there is one example of each, but it may very well turn out that
>>> the SK Hynix BC501 above needs to be quirked.
>>>
>>> Second, the reference here really is 5.2, so if there are any systems
>>> that are not better off with 5.3-rc than they were with 5.2, well, we
>>> have not made progress.  However, if there are systems that are worse
>>> off with 5.3, that's bad.  In the face of the latest findings the only
>>> way to avoid that is to be backwards compatible with 5.2 and that's
>>> where my patch is going.  That cannot be achieved by quirking all
>>> cases that are reported as "bad", because there still may be
>>> unreported ones.
>>
>> I have to agree. I think your proposal may allow PCI D3cold,
>
> Yes, it may.

Somehow the 9380 with Toshiba NVMe never hits SLP_S0 with or without  
Rafael’s patch.
But the “real” s2idle power consumption does improve with the patch.

Can we use a DMI based quirk for this platform? It seems like a platform  
specific issue.

>
>> In which case we do need to reintroduce the HMB handling.
>
> Right.

The patch alone doesn’t break HMB Toshiba NVMe I tested. But I think it’s  
still safer to do proper HMB handling.

Kai-Heng


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: kai.heng.feng@canonical.com (Kai-Heng Feng)
Subject: [Regression] Commit "nvme/pci: Use host managed power state for suspend" has problems
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 17:05:54 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <70D536BE-8DC7-4CA2-84A9-AFB067BA520E@canonical.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0hxYGBXau39sb80MQ8jbZZCzH0JU2DYZvn9JOtYT2+30g@mail.gmail.com>

at 06:33, Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019@12:22 AM Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019@11:25:51PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> A couple of remarks if you will.
>>>
>>> First, we don't know which case is the majority at this point.  For
>>> now, there is one example of each, but it may very well turn out that
>>> the SK Hynix BC501 above needs to be quirked.
>>>
>>> Second, the reference here really is 5.2, so if there are any systems
>>> that are not better off with 5.3-rc than they were with 5.2, well, we
>>> have not made progress.  However, if there are systems that are worse
>>> off with 5.3, that's bad.  In the face of the latest findings the only
>>> way to avoid that is to be backwards compatible with 5.2 and that's
>>> where my patch is going.  That cannot be achieved by quirking all
>>> cases that are reported as "bad", because there still may be
>>> unreported ones.
>>
>> I have to agree. I think your proposal may allow PCI D3cold,
>
> Yes, it may.

Somehow the 9380 with Toshiba NVMe never hits SLP_S0 with or without  
Rafael?s patch.
But the ?real? s2idle power consumption does improve with the patch.

Can we use a DMI based quirk for this platform? It seems like a platform  
specific issue.

>
>> In which case we do need to reintroduce the HMB handling.
>
> Right.

The patch alone doesn?t break HMB Toshiba NVMe I tested. But I think it?s  
still safer to do proper HMB handling.

Kai-Heng

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-01  9:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-25  9:51 [Regression] Commit "nvme/pci: Use host managed power state for suspend" has problems Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25  9:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 14:02 ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-25 14:02   ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-25 16:23   ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-25 16:23     ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-25 17:03     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 17:03       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 17:23       ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-25 17:23         ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-25 18:20       ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-25 18:20         ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-25 19:09         ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-25 19:09           ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-30 10:45       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-30 10:45         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-30 14:41         ` Keith Busch
2019-07-30 14:41           ` Keith Busch
2019-07-30 17:14           ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-30 17:14             ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-30 18:50             ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-30 18:50               ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-30 19:19               ` Keith Busch
2019-07-30 19:19                 ` Keith Busch
2019-07-30 21:05                 ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-30 21:05                   ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-30 21:31                   ` Keith Busch
2019-07-30 21:31                     ` Keith Busch
2019-07-31 21:25                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-31 21:25                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-31 22:19                       ` Keith Busch
2019-07-31 22:19                         ` Keith Busch
2019-07-31 22:33                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-31 22:33                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-01  9:05                           ` Kai-Heng Feng [this message]
2019-08-01  9:05                             ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-08-01 17:29                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-01 17:29                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-01 19:05                               ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-08-01 19:05                                 ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-08-01 22:26                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-01 22:26                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-02 10:55                                   ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-08-02 10:55                                     ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-08-02 11:04                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-02 11:04                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-05 19:13                                       ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-08-05 19:13                                         ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-08-05 21:28                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-05 21:28                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-06 14:02                                           ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-08-06 14:02                                             ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-08-06 15:00                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-06 15:00                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07 10:29                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07 10:29                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-01 20:22                             ` Keith Busch
2019-08-01 20:22                               ` Keith Busch
2019-08-07  9:48                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07  9:48                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07 10:45                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-07 10:45                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-07 10:54                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07 10:54                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07  9:53                         ` [PATCH] nvme-pci: Do not prevent PCI bus-level PM from being used Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07  9:53                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07 10:14                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07 10:14                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07 10:43                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-07 10:43                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-07 14:37                           ` Keith Busch
2019-08-07 14:37                             ` Keith Busch
2019-08-08  8:36                         ` [PATCH] nvme-pci: Allow PCI bus-level PM to be used if ASPM is disabled Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08  8:36                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08  8:48                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-08  8:48                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-08  9:06                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08  9:06                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 10:03                         ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 10:03                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 10:06                           ` [PATCH v2 1/2] PCI: PCIe: ASPM: Introduce pcie_aspm_enabled_mask() Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 10:06                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 13:15                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-08 13:15                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-08 14:48                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 14:48                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 10:10                           ` [PATCH v2 2/2] nvme-pci: Allow PCI bus-level PM to be used if ASPM is disabled Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 10:10                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 13:43                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-08 13:43                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-08 14:47                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 14:47                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 17:06                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 17:06                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 18:39                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-08 18:39                                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-08 20:01                                   ` Keith Busch
2019-08-08 20:01                                     ` Keith Busch
2019-08-08 20:05                                   ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-08-08 20:05                                     ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-08-08 20:41                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 20:41                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-09  4:47                                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-09  4:47                                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-09  8:04                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-09  8:04                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 21:51                         ` [PATCH v3 0/2] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 21:51                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 21:55                           ` [PATCH v3 1/2] PCI: PCIe: ASPM: Introduce pcie_aspm_enabled() Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 21:55                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-09  4:50                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-09  4:50                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-09  8:00                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-09  8:00                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-10-07 22:34                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-10-07 22:34                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-10-08  9:27                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-10-08  9:27                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-10-08 21:16                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-10-08 21:16                                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-10-08 22:54                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-10-08 22:54                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-10-09 12:49                                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-10-09 12:49                                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-08 21:58                           ` [PATCH v3 2/2] nvme-pci: Allow PCI bus-level PM to be used if ASPM is disabled Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 21:58                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 22:13                           ` [PATCH v3 0/2] " Keith Busch
2019-08-08 22:13                             ` Keith Busch
2019-08-09  8:05                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-09  8:05                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-09 14:52                               ` Keith Busch
2019-08-09 14:52                                 ` Keith Busch
2019-07-25 16:59   ` [Regression] Commit "nvme/pci: Use host managed power state for suspend" has problems Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 16:59     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 14:52 ` Keith Busch
2019-07-25 14:52   ` Keith Busch
2019-07-25 19:48   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 19:48     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 19:52     ` Keith Busch
2019-07-25 19:52       ` Keith Busch
2019-07-25 20:02       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 20:02         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-26 14:02         ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-26 14:02           ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-27 12:55           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-27 12:55             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-29 15:51             ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-29 15:51               ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-29 22:05               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-29 22:05                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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