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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Yongji Xie <xieyongji@bytedance.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Stefano Garzarella" <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	"Parav Pandit" <parav@nvidia.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Christian Brauner" <christian.brauner@canonical.com>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	bcrl@kvack.org, "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Mika Penttilä" <mika.penttila@nextfour.com>,
	"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	joro@8bytes.org, "Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	songmuchun@bytedance.com,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:36:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8320d26d-6637-85c6-8773-49553dfa502d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACycT3vo-diHgTSLw_FS2E+5ia5VjihE3qw7JmZR7JT55P-wQA@mail.gmail.com>


在 2021/7/4 下午5:49, Yongji Xie 写道:
>>> OK, I get you now. Since the VIRTIO specification says "Device
>>> configuration space is generally used for rarely-changing or
>>> initialization-time parameters". I assume the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
>>> ioctl should not be called frequently.
>> The spec uses MUST and other terms to define the precise requirements.
>> Here the language (especially the word "generally") is weaker and means
>> there may be exceptions.
>>
>> Another type of access that doesn't work with the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
>> approach is reads that have side-effects. For example, imagine a field
>> containing an error code if the device encounters a problem unrelated to
>> a specific virtqueue request. Reading from this field resets the error
>> code to 0, saving the driver an extra configuration space write access
>> and possibly race conditions. It isn't possible to implement those
>> semantics suing VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG. It's another corner case, but it
>> makes me think that the interface does not allow full VIRTIO semantics.


Note that though you're correct, my understanding is that config space 
is not suitable for this kind of error propagating. And it would be very 
hard to implement such kind of semantic in some transports.  Virtqueue 
should be much better. As Yong Ji quoted, the config space is used for 
"rarely-changing or intialization-time parameters".


> Agreed. I will use VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG in the next version. And to
> handle the message failure, I'm going to add a return value to
> virtio_config_ops.get() and virtio_cread_* API so that the error can
> be propagated to the virtio device driver. Then the virtio-blk device
> driver can be modified to handle that.
>
> Jason and Stefan, what do you think of this way?


I'd like to stick to the current assumption thich get_config won't fail. 
That is to say,

1) maintain a config in the kernel, make sure the config space read can 
always succeed
2) introduce an ioctl for the vduse usersapce to update the config space.
3) we can synchronize with the vduse userspace during set_config

Does this work?

Thanks


>


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Yongji Xie <xieyongji@bytedance.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"Christian Brauner" <christian.brauner@canonical.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	"Stefano Garzarella" <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	songmuchun@bytedance.com, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, bcrl@kvack.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Mika Penttilä" <mika.penttila@nextfour.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:36:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8320d26d-6637-85c6-8773-49553dfa502d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACycT3vo-diHgTSLw_FS2E+5ia5VjihE3qw7JmZR7JT55P-wQA@mail.gmail.com>


在 2021/7/4 下午5:49, Yongji Xie 写道:
>>> OK, I get you now. Since the VIRTIO specification says "Device
>>> configuration space is generally used for rarely-changing or
>>> initialization-time parameters". I assume the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
>>> ioctl should not be called frequently.
>> The spec uses MUST and other terms to define the precise requirements.
>> Here the language (especially the word "generally") is weaker and means
>> there may be exceptions.
>>
>> Another type of access that doesn't work with the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
>> approach is reads that have side-effects. For example, imagine a field
>> containing an error code if the device encounters a problem unrelated to
>> a specific virtqueue request. Reading from this field resets the error
>> code to 0, saving the driver an extra configuration space write access
>> and possibly race conditions. It isn't possible to implement those
>> semantics suing VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG. It's another corner case, but it
>> makes me think that the interface does not allow full VIRTIO semantics.


Note that though you're correct, my understanding is that config space 
is not suitable for this kind of error propagating. And it would be very 
hard to implement such kind of semantic in some transports.  Virtqueue 
should be much better. As Yong Ji quoted, the config space is used for 
"rarely-changing or intialization-time parameters".


> Agreed. I will use VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG in the next version. And to
> handle the message failure, I'm going to add a return value to
> virtio_config_ops.get() and virtio_cread_* API so that the error can
> be propagated to the virtio device driver. Then the virtio-blk device
> driver can be modified to handle that.
>
> Jason and Stefan, what do you think of this way?


I'd like to stick to the current assumption thich get_config won't fail. 
That is to say,

1) maintain a config in the kernel, make sure the config space read can 
always succeed
2) introduce an ioctl for the vduse usersapce to update the config space.
3) we can synchronize with the vduse userspace during set_config

Does this work?

Thanks


>

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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Yongji Xie <xieyongji@bytedance.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"Christian Brauner" <christian.brauner@canonical.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	joro@8bytes.org, "Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	songmuchun@bytedance.com, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, bcrl@kvack.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Mika Penttilä" <mika.penttila@nextfour.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:36:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8320d26d-6637-85c6-8773-49553dfa502d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACycT3vo-diHgTSLw_FS2E+5ia5VjihE3qw7JmZR7JT55P-wQA@mail.gmail.com>


在 2021/7/4 下午5:49, Yongji Xie 写道:
>>> OK, I get you now. Since the VIRTIO specification says "Device
>>> configuration space is generally used for rarely-changing or
>>> initialization-time parameters". I assume the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
>>> ioctl should not be called frequently.
>> The spec uses MUST and other terms to define the precise requirements.
>> Here the language (especially the word "generally") is weaker and means
>> there may be exceptions.
>>
>> Another type of access that doesn't work with the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
>> approach is reads that have side-effects. For example, imagine a field
>> containing an error code if the device encounters a problem unrelated to
>> a specific virtqueue request. Reading from this field resets the error
>> code to 0, saving the driver an extra configuration space write access
>> and possibly race conditions. It isn't possible to implement those
>> semantics suing VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG. It's another corner case, but it
>> makes me think that the interface does not allow full VIRTIO semantics.


Note that though you're correct, my understanding is that config space 
is not suitable for this kind of error propagating. And it would be very 
hard to implement such kind of semantic in some transports.  Virtqueue 
should be much better. As Yong Ji quoted, the config space is used for 
"rarely-changing or intialization-time parameters".


> Agreed. I will use VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG in the next version. And to
> handle the message failure, I'm going to add a return value to
> virtio_config_ops.get() and virtio_cread_* API so that the error can
> be propagated to the virtio device driver. Then the virtio-blk device
> driver can be modified to handle that.
>
> Jason and Stefan, what do you think of this way?


I'd like to stick to the current assumption thich get_config won't fail. 
That is to say,

1) maintain a config in the kernel, make sure the config space read can 
always succeed
2) introduce an ioctl for the vduse usersapce to update the config space.
3) we can synchronize with the vduse userspace during set_config

Does this work?

Thanks


>

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-05  3:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 193+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-15 14:13 [PATCH v8 00/10] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 01/10] iova: Export alloc_iova_fast() and free_iova_fast(); Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 02/10] file: Export receive_fd() to modules Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 03/10] eventfd: Increase the recursion depth of eventfd_signal() Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-17  8:33   ` He Zhe
2021-06-17  8:33     ` He Zhe
2021-06-17  8:33     ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  3:29     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-18  3:29       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-18  8:41       ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:41         ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:41         ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:44       ` [PATCH] eventfd: Enlarge recursion limit to allow vhost to work He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:44         ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:44         ` He Zhe
2021-07-03  8:31         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-03  8:31           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-03  8:31           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-25  7:57         ` Yongji Xie
2021-08-25  7:57           ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 04/10] vhost-iotlb: Add an opaque pointer for vhost IOTLB Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 05/10] vdpa: Add an opaque pointer for vdpa_config_ops.dma_map() Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 06/10] vdpa: factor out vhost_vdpa_pa_map() and vhost_vdpa_pa_unmap() Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 07/10] vdpa: Support transferring virtual addressing during DMA mapping Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 08/10] vduse: Implement an MMU-based IOMMU driver Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 09/10] vduse: Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-21  9:13   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-21  9:13     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-21  9:13     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-21 10:41     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-21 10:41       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22  5:06       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  5:06         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  5:06         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  7:22         ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22  7:22           ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22  7:49           ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  7:49             ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  7:49             ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  8:14             ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22  8:14               ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-23  3:30               ` Jason Wang
2021-06-23  3:30                 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-23  3:30                 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-23  5:50                 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-23  5:50                   ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-24  3:34                   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  3:34                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  3:34                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  4:46                     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-24  4:46                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-24  8:13                       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  8:13                         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  8:13                         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  9:16                         ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-24  9:16                           ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-25  3:08                           ` Jason Wang
2021-06-25  3:08                             ` Jason Wang
2021-06-25  3:08                             ` Jason Wang
2021-06-25  4:19                             ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-25  4:19                               ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28  4:40                               ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  4:40                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  4:40                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  2:26                                 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  2:26                                   ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  3:29                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  3:29                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  3:29                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  3:56                                     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  3:56                                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  4:03                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:03                                         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:03                                         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24 14:46   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 14:46     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 14:46     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29  2:59     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  2:59       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-30  9:51       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-30  9:51         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-30  9:51         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01  6:50         ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01  6:50           ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01  7:55           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-01  7:55             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-01  7:55             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-01 10:26             ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01 10:26               ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-02  3:25               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-02  3:25                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-02  3:25                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  8:52   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07  8:52     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07  8:52     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07  9:19     ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-07  9:19       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-24 13:01   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 13:01     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 13:01     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29  5:43     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  5:43       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-30 10:06       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-30 10:06         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-30 10:06         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01 10:00         ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01 10:00           ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01 13:15           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01 13:15             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01 13:15             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-04  9:49             ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-04  9:49               ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-05  3:36               ` Jason Wang [this message]
2021-07-05  3:36                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-05  3:36                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-05 12:49                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-05 12:49                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-05 12:49                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06  2:34                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06  2:34                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06  2:34                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 10:14                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06 10:14                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06 10:14                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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2021-07-07  9:24                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  9:24                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  9:24                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 15:54                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07 15:54                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07 15:54                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  4:17                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-08  4:17                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-08  4:17                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-08  9:06                                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  9:06                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  9:06                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08 12:35                                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-08 12:35                                         ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-06  3:04                   ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-06  3:04                     ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-06 10:22                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06 10:22                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06 10:22                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07  9:09                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-07  9:09                         ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-08  9:07                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  9:07                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  9:07                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 15:12 ` [PATCH v8 00/10] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 15:12   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 15:12   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29  3:15   ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  3:15     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:33 ` Liu Xiaodong
2021-06-28 10:33   ` Liu Xiaodong
2021-06-28 10:33   ` Liu Xiaodong
2021-06-28  4:35   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  4:35     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  4:35     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  5:54     ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-28  5:54       ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-28  5:54       ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29  4:10       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:10         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:10         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  7:56         ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29  7:56           ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29  7:56           ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29  8:14           ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  8:14             ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:32   ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:32     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:32     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  4:12     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:12       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:12       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  6:40       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  6:40         ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  7:33         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  7:33           ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  7:33           ` Jason Wang

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