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From: Yongji Xie <xieyongji@bytedance.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Stefano Garzarella" <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	"Parav Pandit" <parav@nvidia.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Christian Brauner" <christian.brauner@canonical.com>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	bcrl@kvack.org, "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Mika Penttilä" <mika.penttila@nextfour.com>,
	"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	joro@8bytes.org, "Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	songmuchun@bytedance.com,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH v8 09/10] vduse: Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 12:46:30 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACycT3uCSLUDVpQHdrmuxSuoBDg-4n22t+N-Jm2GoNNp9JYB2w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d2334f66-907c-2e9c-ea4f-f912008e9be8@redhat.com>

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 11:35 AM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>
> 在 2021/6/23 下午1:50, Yongji Xie 写道:
> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:31 AM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> 在 2021/6/22 下午4:14, Yongji Xie 写道:
> >>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 3:50 PM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>> 在 2021/6/22 下午3:22, Yongji Xie 写道:
> >>>>>> We need fix a way to propagate the error to the userspace.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> E.g if we want to stop the deivce, we will delay the status reset until
> >>>>>> we get respose from the userspace?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I didn't get how to delay the status reset. And should it be a DoS
> >>>>> that we want to fix if the userspace doesn't give a response forever?
> >>>> You're right. So let's make set_status() can fail first, then propagate
> >>>> its failure via VHOST_VDPA_SET_STATUS.
> >>>>
> >>> OK. So we only need to propagate the failure in the vhost-vdpa case, right?
> >>
> >> I think not, we need to deal with the reset for virtio as well:
> >>
> >> E.g in register_virtio_devices(), we have:
> >>
> >>           /* We always start by resetting the device, in case a previous
> >>            * driver messed it up.  This also tests that code path a
> >> little. */
> >>         dev->config->reset(dev);
> >>
> >> We probably need to make reset can fail and then fail the
> >> register_virtio_device() as well.
> >>
> > OK, looks like virtio_add_status() and virtio_device_ready()[1] should
> > be also modified if we need to propagate the failure in the
> > virtio-vdpa case. Or do we only need to care about the reset case?
> >
> > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20210517093428.670-1-xieyongji@bytedance.com/
>
>
> My understanding is DRIVER_OK is not something that needs to be validated:
>
> "
>
> DRIVER_OK (4)
> Indicates that the driver is set up and ready to drive the device.
>
> "
>
> Since the spec doesn't require to re-read the and check if DRIVER_OK is
> set in 3.1.1 Driver Requirements: Device Initialization.
>
> It's more about "telling the device that driver is ready."
>
> But we don have some status bit that requires the synchronization with
> the device.
>
> 1) FEATURES_OK, spec requires to re-read the status bit to check whether
> or it it was set by the device:
>
> "
>
> Re-read device status to ensure the FEATURES_OK bit is still set:
> otherwise, the device does not support our subset of features and the
> device is unusable.
>
> "
>
> This is useful for some device which can only support a subset of the
> features. E.g a device that can only work for packed virtqueue. This
> means the current design of set_features won't work, we need either:
>
> 1a) relay the set_features request to userspace
>
> or
>
> 1b) introduce a mandated_device_features during device creation and
> validate the driver features during the set_features(), and don't set
> FEATURES_OK if they don't match.
>
>
> 2) Some transports (PCI) requires to re-read the status to ensure the
> synchronization.
>
> "
>
> After writing 0 to device_status, the driver MUST wait for a read of
> device_status to return 0 before reinitializing the device.
>
> "
>
> So we need to deal with both FEATURES_OK and reset, but probably not
> DRIVER_OK.
>

OK, I see. Thanks for the explanation. One more question is how about
clearing the corresponding status bit in get_status() rather than
making set_status() fail. Since the spec recommends this way for
validation which is done in virtio_dev_remove() and
virtio_finalize_features().

Thanks,
Yongji

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Yongji Xie <xieyongji@bytedance.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"Christian Brauner" <christian.brauner@canonical.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	"Stefano Garzarella" <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	songmuchun@bytedance.com, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, bcrl@kvack.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Mika Penttilä" <mika.penttila@nextfour.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH v8 09/10] vduse: Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 12:46:30 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACycT3uCSLUDVpQHdrmuxSuoBDg-4n22t+N-Jm2GoNNp9JYB2w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d2334f66-907c-2e9c-ea4f-f912008e9be8@redhat.com>

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 11:35 AM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>
> 在 2021/6/23 下午1:50, Yongji Xie 写道:
> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:31 AM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> 在 2021/6/22 下午4:14, Yongji Xie 写道:
> >>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 3:50 PM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>> 在 2021/6/22 下午3:22, Yongji Xie 写道:
> >>>>>> We need fix a way to propagate the error to the userspace.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> E.g if we want to stop the deivce, we will delay the status reset until
> >>>>>> we get respose from the userspace?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I didn't get how to delay the status reset. And should it be a DoS
> >>>>> that we want to fix if the userspace doesn't give a response forever?
> >>>> You're right. So let's make set_status() can fail first, then propagate
> >>>> its failure via VHOST_VDPA_SET_STATUS.
> >>>>
> >>> OK. So we only need to propagate the failure in the vhost-vdpa case, right?
> >>
> >> I think not, we need to deal with the reset for virtio as well:
> >>
> >> E.g in register_virtio_devices(), we have:
> >>
> >>           /* We always start by resetting the device, in case a previous
> >>            * driver messed it up.  This also tests that code path a
> >> little. */
> >>         dev->config->reset(dev);
> >>
> >> We probably need to make reset can fail and then fail the
> >> register_virtio_device() as well.
> >>
> > OK, looks like virtio_add_status() and virtio_device_ready()[1] should
> > be also modified if we need to propagate the failure in the
> > virtio-vdpa case. Or do we only need to care about the reset case?
> >
> > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20210517093428.670-1-xieyongji@bytedance.com/
>
>
> My understanding is DRIVER_OK is not something that needs to be validated:
>
> "
>
> DRIVER_OK (4)
> Indicates that the driver is set up and ready to drive the device.
>
> "
>
> Since the spec doesn't require to re-read the and check if DRIVER_OK is
> set in 3.1.1 Driver Requirements: Device Initialization.
>
> It's more about "telling the device that driver is ready."
>
> But we don have some status bit that requires the synchronization with
> the device.
>
> 1) FEATURES_OK, spec requires to re-read the status bit to check whether
> or it it was set by the device:
>
> "
>
> Re-read device status to ensure the FEATURES_OK bit is still set:
> otherwise, the device does not support our subset of features and the
> device is unusable.
>
> "
>
> This is useful for some device which can only support a subset of the
> features. E.g a device that can only work for packed virtqueue. This
> means the current design of set_features won't work, we need either:
>
> 1a) relay the set_features request to userspace
>
> or
>
> 1b) introduce a mandated_device_features during device creation and
> validate the driver features during the set_features(), and don't set
> FEATURES_OK if they don't match.
>
>
> 2) Some transports (PCI) requires to re-read the status to ensure the
> synchronization.
>
> "
>
> After writing 0 to device_status, the driver MUST wait for a read of
> device_status to return 0 before reinitializing the device.
>
> "
>
> So we need to deal with both FEATURES_OK and reset, but probably not
> DRIVER_OK.
>

OK, I see. Thanks for the explanation. One more question is how about
clearing the corresponding status bit in get_status() rather than
making set_status() fail. Since the spec recommends this way for
validation which is done in virtio_dev_remove() and
virtio_finalize_features().

Thanks,
Yongji
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Thread overview: 193+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-15 14:13 [PATCH v8 00/10] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 01/10] iova: Export alloc_iova_fast() and free_iova_fast(); Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 02/10] file: Export receive_fd() to modules Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 03/10] eventfd: Increase the recursion depth of eventfd_signal() Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-17  8:33   ` He Zhe
2021-06-17  8:33     ` He Zhe
2021-06-17  8:33     ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  3:29     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-18  3:29       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-18  8:41       ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:41         ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:41         ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:44       ` [PATCH] eventfd: Enlarge recursion limit to allow vhost to work He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:44         ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:44         ` He Zhe
2021-07-03  8:31         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-03  8:31           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-03  8:31           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-25  7:57         ` Yongji Xie
2021-08-25  7:57           ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 04/10] vhost-iotlb: Add an opaque pointer for vhost IOTLB Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 05/10] vdpa: Add an opaque pointer for vdpa_config_ops.dma_map() Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 06/10] vdpa: factor out vhost_vdpa_pa_map() and vhost_vdpa_pa_unmap() Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 07/10] vdpa: Support transferring virtual addressing during DMA mapping Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 08/10] vduse: Implement an MMU-based IOMMU driver Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 09/10] vduse: Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-21  9:13   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-21  9:13     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-21  9:13     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-21 10:41     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-21 10:41       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22  5:06       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  5:06         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  5:06         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  7:22         ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22  7:22           ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22  7:49           ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  7:49             ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  7:49             ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  8:14             ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22  8:14               ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-23  3:30               ` Jason Wang
2021-06-23  3:30                 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-23  3:30                 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-23  5:50                 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-23  5:50                   ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-24  3:34                   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  3:34                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  3:34                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  4:46                     ` Yongji Xie [this message]
2021-06-24  4:46                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-24  8:13                       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  8:13                         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  8:13                         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  9:16                         ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-24  9:16                           ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-25  3:08                           ` Jason Wang
2021-06-25  3:08                             ` Jason Wang
2021-06-25  3:08                             ` Jason Wang
2021-06-25  4:19                             ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-25  4:19                               ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28  4:40                               ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  4:40                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  4:40                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  2:26                                 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  2:26                                   ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  3:29                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  3:29                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  3:29                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  3:56                                     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  3:56                                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  4:03                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:03                                         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:03                                         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24 14:46   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 14:46     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 14:46     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29  2:59     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  2:59       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-30  9:51       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-30  9:51         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-30  9:51         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01  6:50         ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01  6:50           ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01  7:55           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-01  7:55             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-01  7:55             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-01 10:26             ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01 10:26               ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-02  3:25               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-02  3:25                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-02  3:25                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  8:52   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07  8:52     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07  8:52     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07  9:19     ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-07  9:19       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13   ` Xie Yongji
2021-06-24 13:01   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 13:01     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 13:01     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29  5:43     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  5:43       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-30 10:06       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-30 10:06         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-30 10:06         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01 10:00         ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01 10:00           ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01 13:15           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01 13:15             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01 13:15             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-04  9:49             ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-04  9:49               ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-05  3:36               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-05  3:36                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-05  3:36                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-05 12:49                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-05 12:49                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-05 12:49                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06  2:34                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06  2:34                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06  2:34                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 10:14                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06 10:14                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06 10:14                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found]                       ` <CACGkMEs2HHbUfarum8uQ6wuXoDwLQUSXTsa-huJFiqr__4cwRg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                         ` <YOSOsrQWySr0andk@stefanha-x1.localdomain>
     [not found]                           ` <100e6788-7fdf-1505-d69c-bc28a8bc7a78@redhat.com>
     [not found]                             ` <YOVr801d01YOPzLL@stefanha-x1.localdomain>
2021-07-07  9:24                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  9:24                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  9:24                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 15:54                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07 15:54                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07 15:54                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  4:17                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-08  4:17                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-08  4:17                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-08  9:06                                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  9:06                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  9:06                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08 12:35                                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-08 12:35                                         ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-06  3:04                   ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-06  3:04                     ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-06 10:22                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06 10:22                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06 10:22                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07  9:09                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-07  9:09                         ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-08  9:07                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  9:07                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  9:07                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 15:12 ` [PATCH v8 00/10] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 15:12   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 15:12   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29  3:15   ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  3:15     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:33 ` Liu Xiaodong
2021-06-28 10:33   ` Liu Xiaodong
2021-06-28 10:33   ` Liu Xiaodong
2021-06-28  4:35   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  4:35     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  4:35     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  5:54     ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-28  5:54       ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-28  5:54       ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29  4:10       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:10         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:10         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  7:56         ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29  7:56           ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29  7:56           ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29  8:14           ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  8:14             ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:32   ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:32     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:32     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  4:12     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:12       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  4:12       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  6:40       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  6:40         ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  7:33         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  7:33           ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  7:33           ` Jason Wang

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