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From: Shea Levy <shea@shealevy.com>
To: Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>, zongbox@gmail.com
Cc: zong@andestech.com, albert@sifive.com,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	greentime@andestech.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/11] RISC-V: Resolve the issue of loadable module on 64-bit
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 07:54:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o9jqzxcp.fsf@xps13.shealevy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mhng-bb15ab0a-464a-4baf-bd4c-e8c409722351@palmer-si-x1c4>

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Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com> writes:

> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:34:19 PDT (-0700), zongbox@gmail.com wrote:
>> 2018-03-14 5:30 GMT+08:00 Shea Levy <shea@shealevy.com>:
>>> Hi Palmer,
>>>
>>> Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 01:35:05 PDT (-0700), zong@andestech.com wrote:
>>>>> These patches resolve the some issues of loadable module.
>>>>>   - symbol out of ranges
>>>>>   - unknown relocation types
>>>>>
>>>>> The reference of external variable and function symbols
>>>>> cannot exceed 32-bit offset ranges in kernel module.
>>>>> The module only can work on the 32-bit OS or the 64-bit
>>>>> OS with sv32 virtual addressing.
>>>>>
>>>>> These patches will generate the .got, .got.plt and
>>>>> .plt sections during loading module, let it can refer
>>>>> to the symbol which locate more than 32-bit offset.
>>>>> These sections depend on the relocation types:
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_GOT_HI20
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_CALL_PLT
>>>>>
>>>>> These patches also support more relocation types
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_CALL
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_HI20
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_LO12_I
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_LO12_S
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_RVC_BRANCH
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_RVC_JUMP
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_ALIGN
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_ADD32
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_SUB32
>>>>>
>>>>> Zong Li (11):
>>>>>   RISC-V: Add sections of PLT and GOT for kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Add section of GOT.PLT for kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support GOT_HI20/CALL_PLT relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support CALL relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support HI20/LO12_I/LO12_S relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support RVC_BRANCH/JUMP relocation type in kernel modulewq
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support ALIGN relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support ADD32 relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support SUB32 relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Enable module support in defconfig
>>>>>   RISC-V: Add definition of relocation types
>>>>>
>>>>>  arch/riscv/Kconfig                  |   5 ++
>>>>>  arch/riscv/Makefile                 |   3 +
>>>>>  arch/riscv/configs/defconfig        |   2 +
>>>>>  arch/riscv/include/asm/module.h     | 112 +++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>  arch/riscv/include/uapi/asm/elf.h   |  24 +++++
>>>>>  arch/riscv/kernel/Makefile          |   1 +
>>>>>  arch/riscv/kernel/module-sections.c | 156 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>  arch/riscv/kernel/module.c          | 175 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
>>>>>  arch/riscv/kernel/module.lds        |   8 ++
>>>>>  9 files changed, 480 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
>>>>>  create mode 100644 arch/riscv/include/asm/module.h
>>>>>  create mode 100644 arch/riscv/kernel/module-sections.c
>>>>>  create mode 100644 arch/riscv/kernel/module.lds
>>>>
>>>> This is the second set of patches that turn on modules, and it has the same
>>>> R_RISCV_ALIGN problem as the other one
>>>>
>>>>     http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-riscv/2018-February/000081.html
>>>>
>>>> It looks like this one uses shared libraries for modules instead of static
>>>> objects.  I think using shared objects is the right thing to do, as it'll allow
>>>> us to place modules anywhere in the address space by having multiple GOTs and
>>>> PLTs.
>>>
>>> Can you expand on this? It was my understanding that outside of the
>>> context of multiple address spaces sharing code the GOT and PLT were
>>> simply unnecessary overhead, what benefit would they bring here?
>>>
>>>> That's kind of complicated, though, so we can start with something
>>>> simpler like this.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The kernel module is a object file, it is not be linked by linker, the
>> GOT and PLT
>> sections will not be generated through -fPIC option, but it will
>> generate the relative
>> relocation type. As Palmer mention before, If we have GOT and PLT sections,
>> we can put the module anywhere, even we support the KASLR in the kernel.
>
> Sorry, I guess I meant PIC objects not shared objects (I keep forgetting about
> PIE).  We'll probably eventually add large code model targets, but they might
> end up just being functionally equilivant to PIE with multi-GOT and multi-PLT
> so it might not matter.
>
> Either way, this is the sanest way to do it for now.
>
>> For the ALIGN problem, the kernel module loader is difficult to remove
>> or migrate
>> the module's code like relax doing, so the remnant nop instructions harm the
>> performance,  I agree the point that adding the mno-relax option and checking
>> the alignment in ALIGN type in module loader.
>
> Sounds good.  I just merged the mno-relax stuff, it'll show up when I get
> around to generating a 7.3.0 backport branch.  For now I think you should just
> fail on R_RISCV_ALIGN and attempt to pass -mno-relax to the compiler (via
> something like "$(call cc-option,-mno-relax)", like we do for
> "-mstrict-align").  I don't think it's worth handling R_RISCV_ALIGN in the
> kernel, as that's essentially the same as full relaxation support.
>

Should we unconditionally fail on R_RISCV_ALIGN or only if the code
isn't already aligned?

>
>>>> That's kind of complicated, though, so we can start with something
>>>> simpler like this.
>>
>> So what is the suggestion for that.
>
> Well, I'm not really sure -- essentially the idea of proper multi-GOT and
> multi-PLT support would be to merge the GOTs and PLTs of modules together when
> they're within range of each other.  We haven't even figured this out in
> userspace yet, so it's probably not worth attempting for kernel modules for a
> bit.
>
> If I understand your code correctly, you're currently generating one GOT and
> one PLT per loaded module.  If that's the case, then this is correct, it's just
> possible to save some memory by merging these tables.  It's probably not worth
> the complexity for kernel modules for a while.

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From: shea@shealevy.com (Shea Levy)
To: linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 00/11] RISC-V: Resolve the issue of loadable module on 64-bit
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 07:54:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o9jqzxcp.fsf@xps13.shealevy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mhng-bb15ab0a-464a-4baf-bd4c-e8c409722351@palmer-si-x1c4>

Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com> writes:

> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:34:19 PDT (-0700), zongbox at gmail.com wrote:
>> 2018-03-14 5:30 GMT+08:00 Shea Levy <shea@shealevy.com>:
>>> Hi Palmer,
>>>
>>> Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 01:35:05 PDT (-0700), zong at andestech.com wrote:
>>>>> These patches resolve the some issues of loadable module.
>>>>>   - symbol out of ranges
>>>>>   - unknown relocation types
>>>>>
>>>>> The reference of external variable and function symbols
>>>>> cannot exceed 32-bit offset ranges in kernel module.
>>>>> The module only can work on the 32-bit OS or the 64-bit
>>>>> OS with sv32 virtual addressing.
>>>>>
>>>>> These patches will generate the .got, .got.plt and
>>>>> .plt sections during loading module, let it can refer
>>>>> to the symbol which locate more than 32-bit offset.
>>>>> These sections depend on the relocation types:
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_GOT_HI20
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_CALL_PLT
>>>>>
>>>>> These patches also support more relocation types
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_CALL
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_HI20
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_LO12_I
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_LO12_S
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_RVC_BRANCH
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_RVC_JUMP
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_ALIGN
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_ADD32
>>>>>  - R_RISCV_SUB32
>>>>>
>>>>> Zong Li (11):
>>>>>   RISC-V: Add sections of PLT and GOT for kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Add section of GOT.PLT for kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support GOT_HI20/CALL_PLT relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support CALL relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support HI20/LO12_I/LO12_S relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support RVC_BRANCH/JUMP relocation type in kernel modulewq
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support ALIGN relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support ADD32 relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Support SUB32 relocation type in kernel module
>>>>>   RISC-V: Enable module support in defconfig
>>>>>   RISC-V: Add definition of relocation types
>>>>>
>>>>>  arch/riscv/Kconfig                  |   5 ++
>>>>>  arch/riscv/Makefile                 |   3 +
>>>>>  arch/riscv/configs/defconfig        |   2 +
>>>>>  arch/riscv/include/asm/module.h     | 112 +++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>  arch/riscv/include/uapi/asm/elf.h   |  24 +++++
>>>>>  arch/riscv/kernel/Makefile          |   1 +
>>>>>  arch/riscv/kernel/module-sections.c | 156 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>  arch/riscv/kernel/module.c          | 175 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
>>>>>  arch/riscv/kernel/module.lds        |   8 ++
>>>>>  9 files changed, 480 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
>>>>>  create mode 100644 arch/riscv/include/asm/module.h
>>>>>  create mode 100644 arch/riscv/kernel/module-sections.c
>>>>>  create mode 100644 arch/riscv/kernel/module.lds
>>>>
>>>> This is the second set of patches that turn on modules, and it has the same
>>>> R_RISCV_ALIGN problem as the other one
>>>>
>>>>     http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-riscv/2018-February/000081.html
>>>>
>>>> It looks like this one uses shared libraries for modules instead of static
>>>> objects.  I think using shared objects is the right thing to do, as it'll allow
>>>> us to place modules anywhere in the address space by having multiple GOTs and
>>>> PLTs.
>>>
>>> Can you expand on this? It was my understanding that outside of the
>>> context of multiple address spaces sharing code the GOT and PLT were
>>> simply unnecessary overhead, what benefit would they bring here?
>>>
>>>> That's kind of complicated, though, so we can start with something
>>>> simpler like this.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The kernel module is a object file, it is not be linked by linker, the
>> GOT and PLT
>> sections will not be generated through -fPIC option, but it will
>> generate the relative
>> relocation type. As Palmer mention before, If we have GOT and PLT sections,
>> we can put the module anywhere, even we support the KASLR in the kernel.
>
> Sorry, I guess I meant PIC objects not shared objects (I keep forgetting about
> PIE).  We'll probably eventually add large code model targets, but they might
> end up just being functionally equilivant to PIE with multi-GOT and multi-PLT
> so it might not matter.
>
> Either way, this is the sanest way to do it for now.
>
>> For the ALIGN problem, the kernel module loader is difficult to remove
>> or migrate
>> the module's code like relax doing, so the remnant nop instructions harm the
>> performance,  I agree the point that adding the mno-relax option and checking
>> the alignment in ALIGN type in module loader.
>
> Sounds good.  I just merged the mno-relax stuff, it'll show up when I get
> around to generating a 7.3.0 backport branch.  For now I think you should just
> fail on R_RISCV_ALIGN and attempt to pass -mno-relax to the compiler (via
> something like "$(call cc-option,-mno-relax)", like we do for
> "-mstrict-align").  I don't think it's worth handling R_RISCV_ALIGN in the
> kernel, as that's essentially the same as full relaxation support.
>

Should we unconditionally fail on R_RISCV_ALIGN or only if the code
isn't already aligned?

>
>>>> That's kind of complicated, though, so we can start with something
>>>> simpler like this.
>>
>> So what is the suggestion for that.
>
> Well, I'm not really sure -- essentially the idea of proper multi-GOT and
> multi-PLT support would be to merge the GOTs and PLTs of modules together when
> they're within range of each other.  We haven't even figured this out in
> userspace yet, so it's probably not worth attempting for kernel modules for a
> bit.
>
> If I understand your code correctly, you're currently generating one GOT and
> one PLT per loaded module.  If that's the case, then this is correct, it's just
> possible to save some memory by merging these tables.  It's probably not worth
> the complexity for kernel modules for a while.
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Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-13  8:35 [PATCH 00/11] RISC-V: Resolve the issue of loadable module on 64-bit Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35 ` Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35 ` [PATCH 01/11] RISC-V: Add sections of PLT and GOT for kernel module Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-14 17:20   ` kbuild test robot
2018-03-14 17:20     ` kbuild test robot
2018-03-13  8:35 ` [PATCH 02/11] RISC-V: Add section of GOT.PLT " Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-14 17:34   ` kbuild test robot
2018-03-14 17:34     ` kbuild test robot
2018-03-15  9:35     ` Zong Li
2018-03-15  9:35       ` Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35 ` [PATCH 03/11] RISC-V: Support GOT_HI20/CALL_PLT relocation type in " Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35 ` [PATCH 04/11] RISC-V: Support CALL " Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35 ` [PATCH 05/11] RISC-V: Support HI20/LO12_I/LO12_S " Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35 ` [PATCH 06/11] RISC-V: Support RVC_BRANCH/JUMP relocation type in kernel modulewq Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35 ` [PATCH 07/11] RISC-V: Support ALIGN relocation type in kernel module Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35 ` [PATCH 08/11] RISC-V: Support ADD32 " Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35 ` [PATCH 09/11] RISC-V: Support SUB32 " Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35 ` [PATCH 10/11] RISC-V: Enable module support in defconfig Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35 ` [PATCH 11/11] RISC-V: Add definition of relocation types Zong Li
2018-03-13  8:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-13 10:35 ` [PATCH 00/11] RISC-V: Resolve the issue of loadable module on 64-bit Zong Li
2018-03-13 10:35   ` Zong Li
2018-03-13 18:35 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-13 18:35   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-13 21:30   ` Shea Levy
2018-03-13 21:30     ` Shea Levy
2018-03-14  1:34     ` Zong Li
2018-03-14  1:34       ` Zong Li
2018-03-14  3:07       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-14  3:07         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-14 11:15         ` Zong Li
2018-03-14 11:15           ` Zong Li
2018-03-14 11:56           ` Shea Levy
2018-03-14 11:56             ` Shea Levy
2018-03-14 12:20             ` Zong Li
2018-03-14 12:20               ` Zong Li
2018-03-14 11:54         ` Shea Levy [this message]
2018-03-14 11:54           ` Shea Levy
2018-03-14 17:07           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-14 17:07             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-14  3:51     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-14  3:51       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-14 12:07       ` Shea Levy
2018-03-14 12:07         ` Shea Levy
2018-03-14 17:07         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-14 17:07           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-14 17:11           ` Shea Levy
2018-03-14 17:11             ` Shea Levy
2018-03-14 17:30             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-14 17:30               ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-13 21:26 ` Shea Levy
2018-03-13 21:26   ` Shea Levy

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