From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
Ray Jui <ray.jui@broadcom.com>,
bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com,
Wim Van Sebroeck <wim@linux-watchdog.org>,
Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] Documentation: DT: Add optional 'timeout-sec' property for sp805
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 14:25:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <91d27df4-29d0-de7f-6805-c3e5f329caf3@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180523181058.GC27570@roeck-us.net>
On 23/05/18 19:10, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 11:57:25AM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
>> On 22/05/18 19:47, Ray Jui wrote:
>>> Update the SP805 binding document to add optional 'timeout-sec'
>>> devicetree property
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Ray Jui <ray.jui@broadcom.com>
>>> Reviewed-by: Scott Branden <scott.branden@broadcom.com>
>>> ---
>>> Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/sp805-wdt.txt | 2 ++
>>> 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/sp805-wdt.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/sp805-wdt.txt
>>> index edc4f0e..f898a86 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/sp805-wdt.txt
>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/sp805-wdt.txt
>>> @@ -19,6 +19,8 @@ Required properties:
>>> Optional properties:
>>> - interrupts : Should specify WDT interrupt number.
>>> +- timeout-sec : Should specify default WDT timeout in seconds. If unset, the
>>> + default timeout is 30 seconds
>>
>> According to the SP805 TRM, the default interval is dependent on the rate of
>> WDOGCLK, but would typically be a lot longer than that :/
>>
> Depends on the definition of "default". In the context of watchdog drivers,
> it is (or should be) a driver default, not a chip default.
DT describes hardware, not driver behaviour.
I appreciate that where a timeout *is* specified, that is effectively a
hardware aspect even if it's something an OS consuming the binding still
has to voluntarily program into the device. The notion of "this is the
longest period of time for which you can reasonably expect to see no
activity under normal operation" is indeed a property of the platform as
a whole - a system with user-accessible PCIe slots may need to reflect
the worst case of one CPU waiting for an ATS invalidation timeout with
interrupts disabled, whereas a much shorter period might be appropriate
for the same SoC in some closed-down embedded device.
The absence of the property, though, doesn't convey anything other than
"I don't know" and/or "it doesn't really matter", and in that situation
the default is always going to be "whatever the OS thinks is
appropriate". The binding itself can't possibly know, whereas an OS
might be configured for some pseudo-real-time application which it knows
warrants a maximum of 100ms regardless of what the DT does or doesn't
say. In the case of SP805, if the OS doesn't reconfigure it at all,
there happens to be an actual hardware default of (2^32 / WDOGCLK), but
since that's already implicit in the compatible it doesn't really need
saying either.
Optional properties don't need to explicitly state what their absence
might infer, especially when it's not directly meaningful (just imagine
trying to do that for bindings/regulator/regulator.txt...), so I would
suggest following the 93% of existing bindings which simply don't try to
claim some default value for this property.
I also think the fact that, within the context of this patch series, the
Linux driver doesn't even do what the binding claims only goes to help
make my point ;)
Robin.
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From: robin.murphy@arm.com (Robin Murphy)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 1/5] Documentation: DT: Add optional 'timeout-sec' property for sp805
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 14:25:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <91d27df4-29d0-de7f-6805-c3e5f329caf3@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180523181058.GC27570@roeck-us.net>
On 23/05/18 19:10, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 11:57:25AM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
>> On 22/05/18 19:47, Ray Jui wrote:
>>> Update the SP805 binding document to add optional 'timeout-sec'
>>> devicetree property
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Ray Jui <ray.jui@broadcom.com>
>>> Reviewed-by: Scott Branden <scott.branden@broadcom.com>
>>> ---
>>> Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/sp805-wdt.txt | 2 ++
>>> 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/sp805-wdt.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/sp805-wdt.txt
>>> index edc4f0e..f898a86 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/sp805-wdt.txt
>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/sp805-wdt.txt
>>> @@ -19,6 +19,8 @@ Required properties:
>>> Optional properties:
>>> - interrupts : Should specify WDT interrupt number.
>>> +- timeout-sec : Should specify default WDT timeout in seconds. If unset, the
>>> + default timeout is 30 seconds
>>
>> According to the SP805 TRM, the default interval is dependent on the rate of
>> WDOGCLK, but would typically be a lot longer than that :/
>>
> Depends on the definition of "default". In the context of watchdog drivers,
> it is (or should be) a driver default, not a chip default.
DT describes hardware, not driver behaviour.
I appreciate that where a timeout *is* specified, that is effectively a
hardware aspect even if it's something an OS consuming the binding still
has to voluntarily program into the device. The notion of "this is the
longest period of time for which you can reasonably expect to see no
activity under normal operation" is indeed a property of the platform as
a whole - a system with user-accessible PCIe slots may need to reflect
the worst case of one CPU waiting for an ATS invalidation timeout with
interrupts disabled, whereas a much shorter period might be appropriate
for the same SoC in some closed-down embedded device.
The absence of the property, though, doesn't convey anything other than
"I don't know" and/or "it doesn't really matter", and in that situation
the default is always going to be "whatever the OS thinks is
appropriate". The binding itself can't possibly know, whereas an OS
might be configured for some pseudo-real-time application which it knows
warrants a maximum of 100ms regardless of what the DT does or doesn't
say. In the case of SP805, if the OS doesn't reconfigure it at all,
there happens to be an actual hardware default of (2^32 / WDOGCLK), but
since that's already implicit in the compatible it doesn't really need
saying either.
Optional properties don't need to explicitly state what their absence
might infer, especially when it's not directly meaningful (just imagine
trying to do that for bindings/regulator/regulator.txt...), so I would
suggest following the 93% of existing bindings which simply don't try to
claim some default value for this property.
I also think the fact that, within the context of this patch series, the
Linux driver doesn't even do what the binding claims only goes to help
make my point ;)
Robin.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-05-24 13:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-22 18:47 [PATCH 0/5] Enhance support for the SP805 WDT Ray Jui
2018-05-22 18:47 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-22 18:47 ` [PATCH 1/5] Documentation: DT: Add optional 'timeout-sec' property for sp805 Ray Jui
2018-05-22 18:47 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-22 20:56 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-22 20:56 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-23 10:57 ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-23 10:57 ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-23 16:25 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-23 16:25 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-23 18:59 ` Rob Herring
2018-05-23 18:59 ` Rob Herring
2018-05-23 19:29 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-23 19:29 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-24 13:52 ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-24 13:52 ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-23 18:10 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-23 18:10 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-24 13:25 ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2018-05-24 13:25 ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-24 16:07 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-24 16:07 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-22 18:47 ` [PATCH 2/5] watchdog: sp805: add 'timeout-sec' DT property support Ray Jui
2018-05-22 18:47 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-22 20:57 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-22 20:57 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-22 18:47 ` [PATCH 3/5] watchdog: sp805: set WDOG_HW_RUNNING when appropriate Ray Jui
2018-05-22 18:47 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-22 20:54 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-22 20:54 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-22 23:24 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-22 23:24 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-23 7:52 ` Scott Branden
2018-05-23 7:52 ` Scott Branden
2018-05-23 11:48 ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-23 11:48 ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-23 16:29 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-23 16:29 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-23 17:15 ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-23 17:15 ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-23 18:09 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-23 18:09 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-23 19:35 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-23 19:35 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-23 17:15 ` Scott Branden
2018-05-23 17:15 ` Scott Branden
2018-05-23 18:06 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-23 18:06 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-22 18:47 ` [PATCH 4/5] arm64: dt: set initial SR watchdog timeout to 60 seconds Ray Jui
2018-05-22 18:47 ` Ray Jui
2018-05-22 18:47 ` [PATCH 5/5] arm64: defconfig: add CONFIG_ARM_SP805_WATCHDOG Ray Jui
2018-05-22 18:47 ` Ray Jui
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