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From: Mikko Perttunen <cyndis@kapsi.fi>
To: Dmitry Osipenko <digetx@gmail.com>,
	Mikko Perttunen <mperttunen@nvidia.com>,
	thierry.reding@gmail.com, jonathanh@nvidia.com, airlied@linux.ie,
	daniel@ffwll.ch
Cc: linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	talho@nvidia.com, bhuntsman@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/21] Host1x/TegraDRM UAPI
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 23:57:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9f755e95-97fc-4f57-5e8d-426af589c857@kapsi.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <638c1aeb-921b-0ea2-5258-16c6d3183306@gmail.com>



On 1/27/21 11:26 PM, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
> 26.01.2021 05:45, Mikko Perttunen пишет:
>>> 5. The hardware state of sync points should be reset when sync point is
>>> requested, not when host1x driver is initialized.
>>
>> This may be doable, but I don't think it is critical for this UAPI, so
>> let's consider it after this series.
>>
>> The userspace should anyway not be able to assume the initial value of
>> the syncpoint upon allocation. The kernel should set it to some high
>> value to catch any issues related to wraparound.
> 
> This is critical because min != max when sync point is requested.

That I would just consider a bug, and it can be fixed. But it's 
orthogonal to whether the value gets reset every time the syncpoint is 
allocated.

> 
>> Also, this makes code more complicated since it now needs to ensure all
>> waits on the syncpoint have completed before freeing the syncpoint,
>> which can be nontrivial e.g. if the waiter is in a different virtual
>> machine or some other device connected via PCIe (a real usecase).
> 
> It sounds to me that these VM sync points should be treated very
> separately from a generic sync points, don't you think so? Let's not mix
> them and get the generic sync points usable first.
> 

They are not special in any way, I'm just referring to cases where the 
waiter (consumer) is remote. The allocator of the syncpoint (producer) 
doesn't necessarily even need to know about it. The same concern is 
applicable within a single VM, or single application as well. Just 
putting out the point that this is something that needs to be taken care 
of if we were to reset the value.

Mikko

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From: Mikko Perttunen <cyndis@kapsi.fi>
To: Dmitry Osipenko <digetx@gmail.com>,
	Mikko Perttunen <mperttunen@nvidia.com>,
	thierry.reding@gmail.com, jonathanh@nvidia.com, airlied@linux.ie,
	daniel@ffwll.ch
Cc: linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, talho@nvidia.com,
	bhuntsman@nvidia.com, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/21] Host1x/TegraDRM UAPI
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 23:57:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9f755e95-97fc-4f57-5e8d-426af589c857@kapsi.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <638c1aeb-921b-0ea2-5258-16c6d3183306@gmail.com>



On 1/27/21 11:26 PM, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
> 26.01.2021 05:45, Mikko Perttunen пишет:
>>> 5. The hardware state of sync points should be reset when sync point is
>>> requested, not when host1x driver is initialized.
>>
>> This may be doable, but I don't think it is critical for this UAPI, so
>> let's consider it after this series.
>>
>> The userspace should anyway not be able to assume the initial value of
>> the syncpoint upon allocation. The kernel should set it to some high
>> value to catch any issues related to wraparound.
> 
> This is critical because min != max when sync point is requested.

That I would just consider a bug, and it can be fixed. But it's 
orthogonal to whether the value gets reset every time the syncpoint is 
allocated.

> 
>> Also, this makes code more complicated since it now needs to ensure all
>> waits on the syncpoint have completed before freeing the syncpoint,
>> which can be nontrivial e.g. if the waiter is in a different virtual
>> machine or some other device connected via PCIe (a real usecase).
> 
> It sounds to me that these VM sync points should be treated very
> separately from a generic sync points, don't you think so? Let's not mix
> them and get the generic sync points usable first.
> 

They are not special in any way, I'm just referring to cases where the 
waiter (consumer) is remote. The allocator of the syncpoint (producer) 
doesn't necessarily even need to know about it. The same concern is 
applicable within a single VM, or single application as well. Just 
putting out the point that this is something that needs to be taken care 
of if we were to reset the value.

Mikko
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Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-11 12:59 [PATCH v5 00/21] Host1x/TegraDRM UAPI Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 12:59 ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 12:59 ` [PATCH v5 01/21] gpu: host1x: Use different lock classes for each client Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 12:59   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-22 14:46   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-22 14:46     ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-22 14:48     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-22 14:48       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-22 15:19       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-22 15:19         ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-22 16:01         ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-22 16:01           ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 10:20           ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 10:20             ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 13:25             ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 13:25               ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-26 14:54         ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-26 14:54           ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-26 18:31           ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-26 18:31             ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-26 19:10             ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-26 19:10               ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-26 22:47               ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-26 22:47                 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 02/21] gpu: host1x: Allow syncpoints without associated client Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 10:10   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 10:10     ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 10:32     ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 10:32       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 03/21] gpu: host1x: Show number of pending waiters in debugfs Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 10:16   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 10:16     ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-26 14:34     ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-26 14:34       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-04-01 21:19       ` Michał Mirosław
2021-04-01 21:19         ` Michał Mirosław
2021-04-02 16:02         ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-04-02 16:02           ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-04-08  4:13           ` Michał Mirosław
2021-04-08  4:13             ` Michał Mirosław
2021-04-08  4:25             ` Michał Mirosław
2021-04-08  4:25               ` Michał Mirosław
2021-04-08 11:58               ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-04-08 11:58                 ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 04/21] gpu: host1x: Remove cancelled waiters immediately Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-12 22:07   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-12 22:07     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-12 22:20     ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-12 22:20       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-13 16:29       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-13 16:29         ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-13 18:16         ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-13 18:16           ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 10:23       ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 10:23         ` Thierry Reding
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 05/21] gpu: host1x: Use HW-equivalent syncpoint expiration check Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 10:26   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 10:26     ` Thierry Reding
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 06/21] gpu: host1x: Cleanup and refcounting for syncpoints Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 10:36   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 10:36     ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 10:44     ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 10:44       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 11:21       ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 11:21         ` Thierry Reding
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 07/21] gpu: host1x: Introduce UAPI header Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 10:52   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 10:52     ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 11:12     ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 11:12       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 11:43       ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 11:43         ` Thierry Reding
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 08/21] gpu: host1x: Implement /dev/host1x device node Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 11:02   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 11:02     ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 11:15     ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 11:15       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 09/21] gpu: host1x: DMA fences and userspace fence creation Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 11:15   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 11:15     ` Thierry Reding
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 10/21] gpu: host1x: Add no-recovery mode Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 11/21] gpu: host1x: Add job release callback Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 11:55   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 11:55     ` Thierry Reding
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 12/21] gpu: host1x: Add support for syncpoint waits in CDMA pushbuffer Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 13/21] gpu: host1x: Reset max value when freeing a syncpoint Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 14/21] gpu: host1x: Reserve VBLANK syncpoints at initialization Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 15/21] drm/tegra: Add new UAPI to header Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-13 18:14   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-13 18:14     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-13 18:56     ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-13 18:56       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-14  8:36       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-14  8:36         ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-14 10:34         ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-14 10:34           ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 12:30           ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 12:30             ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 14:00             ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 14:00               ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 16:44               ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 16:44                 ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 17:32                 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 17:32                   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 17:57                   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 17:57                     ` Thierry Reding
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 16/21] drm/tegra: Boot VIC during runtime PM resume Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 17/21] drm/tegra: Set resv fields when importing/exporting GEMs Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 18/21] drm/tegra: Allocate per-engine channel in core code Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 12:35   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 12:35     ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 13:15     ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 13:15       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 19/21] drm/tegra: Implement new UAPI Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 17:37   ` kernel test robot
2021-01-11 17:37     ` kernel test robot
2021-01-11 17:37     ` kernel test robot
2021-01-12 22:27   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-12 22:27     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 13:25   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 13:25     ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 14:43     ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 14:43       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 15:00       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 15:00         ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 16:59         ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 16:59           ` Thierry Reding
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 20/21] drm/tegra: Implement job submission part of " Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 13:38   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 13:38     ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 14:16     ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 14:16       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 17:04       ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 17:04         ` Thierry Reding
2021-01-11 13:00 ` [PATCH v5 21/21] drm/tegra: Add job firewall Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-11 13:00   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-19 22:29 ` [PATCH v5 00/21] Host1x/TegraDRM UAPI Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-19 22:29   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-26  2:45   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-26  2:45     ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-27 21:20     ` [PATCH v5 00/21] Host1x sync point UAPI should not be used for tracking DRM jobs Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-27 21:20       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-28 11:08       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-28 11:08         ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-28 16:58         ` Thierry Reding
2021-01-28 16:58           ` Thierry Reding
2021-01-29 17:30           ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-29 17:30             ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-02-03 11:18             ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-02-03 11:18               ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-02-27 11:19               ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-02-27 11:19                 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-01  8:19                 ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-01  8:19                   ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-03-23 18:21                 ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 18:21                   ` Thierry Reding
2021-03-23 19:57                   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 19:57                     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 20:13                     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-03-23 20:13                       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-27 21:26     ` [PATCH v5 00/21] Host1x/TegraDRM UAPI Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-27 21:26       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-27 21:57       ` Mikko Perttunen [this message]
2021-01-27 21:57         ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-27 22:06         ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-27 22:06           ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-28 11:46           ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-28 11:46             ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-27 21:35     ` [PATCH v5 00/21] sync_file API is not very suitable for DRM Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-27 21:35       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-27 21:53       ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-27 21:53         ` Mikko Perttunen
2021-01-27 22:26         ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-27 22:26           ` Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-27 21:52     ` [PATCH v5 00/21] support option where all commands are collected into a single,dedicated cmdstream Dmitry Osipenko
2021-01-27 21:52       ` Dmitry Osipenko

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