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From: Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com>
To: Evgenii Stepanov <eugenis@google.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Kostya Serebryany <kcc@google.com>, Lee Smith <Lee.Smith@arm.com>,
	Ramana Radhakrishnan <Ramana.Radhakrishnan@arm.com>,
	Jacob Bramley <Jacob.Bramley@arm.com>,
	Ruben Ayrapetyan <Ruben.Ayrapetyan@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/6] mm, arm64: untag user addresses in memory syscalls
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 16:45:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAeHK+y3hJ4jAByvfGDYyNb_RZ3_As4r-FCyZL9u69Vv_HS2AA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFKCwrgPEhBEbXn95ugxVuxHw7UTiQWuo3+HJ_t7UBG69fbUcw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Evgenii Stepanov <eugenis@google.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
>>> I'm not yet convinced these functions need to allow tagged pointers.
>>> They are not doing memory accesses but rather dealing with the memory
>>> range, hence an untagged pointer is better suited. There is probably a
>>> reason why the "start" argument is "unsigned long" vs "void __user *"
>>> (in the kernel, not the man page).
>>
>> So that would make the user to untag pointers before passing to these syscalls.
>>
>> Evgeniy, would that be possible to untag pointers in HWASan before
>> using memory subsystem syscalls? Is there a reason for untagging them
>> in the kernel?
>
> Generally, no. It's possible to intercept a libc call using symbol
> interposition, but I don't know how to rewrite arguments of a raw
> system call other than through ptrace, and that creates more problems
> than it solves.
>
> AFAIU, it's valid for a program to pass an address obtained from
> malloc or, better, posix_memalign to an mm syscall like mprotect().
> These arguments are pointers from the userspace point of view.

Catalin, do you think this is a good reason to have the untagging done
in the kernel?

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From: andreyknvl@google.com (Andrey Konovalov)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 3/6] mm, arm64: untag user addresses in memory syscalls
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 16:45:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAeHK+y3hJ4jAByvfGDYyNb_RZ3_As4r-FCyZL9u69Vv_HS2AA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFKCwrgPEhBEbXn95ugxVuxHw7UTiQWuo3+HJ_t7UBG69fbUcw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Evgenii Stepanov <eugenis@google.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
>>> I'm not yet convinced these functions need to allow tagged pointers.
>>> They are not doing memory accesses but rather dealing with the memory
>>> range, hence an untagged pointer is better suited. There is probably a
>>> reason why the "start" argument is "unsigned long" vs "void __user *"
>>> (in the kernel, not the man page).
>>
>> So that would make the user to untag pointers before passing to these syscalls.
>>
>> Evgeniy, would that be possible to untag pointers in HWASan before
>> using memory subsystem syscalls? Is there a reason for untagging them
>> in the kernel?
>
> Generally, no. It's possible to intercept a libc call using symbol
> interposition, but I don't know how to rewrite arguments of a raw
> system call other than through ptrace, and that creates more problems
> than it solves.
>
> AFAIU, it's valid for a program to pass an address obtained from
> malloc or, better, posix_memalign to an mm syscall like mprotect().
> These arguments are pointers from the userspace point of view.

Catalin, do you think this is a good reason to have the untagging done
in the kernel?

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-14 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-09 14:01 [RFC PATCH 0/6] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:01 ` [OpenRISC] " Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:01 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:01 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] arm64: add type casts to untagged_addr macro Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:01   ` [OpenRISC] " Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:01   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:01   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] arm64: untag user addresses in copy_from_user and others Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` [OpenRISC] " Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 15:03   ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-09 15:03     ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-09 15:58     ` Catalin Marinas
2018-03-09 15:58       ` Catalin Marinas
2018-03-09 15:58       ` Catalin Marinas
2018-03-09 15:58       ` Catalin Marinas
2018-03-09 17:57       ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 17:57         ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] mm, arm64: untag user addresses in memory syscalls Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` [OpenRISC] " Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 15:53   ` Catalin Marinas
2018-03-09 15:53     ` Catalin Marinas
2018-03-09 17:31     ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 17:31       ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 17:42       ` Evgenii Stepanov
2018-03-09 17:42         ` Evgenii Stepanov
2018-03-14 15:45         ` Andrey Konovalov [this message]
2018-03-14 15:45           ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-14 17:44           ` Catalin Marinas
2018-03-14 17:44             ` Catalin Marinas
2018-03-16  1:11             ` Evgenii Stepanov
2018-03-16  1:11               ` Evgenii Stepanov
2018-03-09 14:02 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] mm, arm64: untag user addresses in mm/gup.c Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` [OpenRISC] " Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] lib, arm64: untag addrs passed to strncpy_from_user and strnlen_user Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` [OpenRISC] " Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] arch: add untagged_addr definition for other arches Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` [OpenRISC] " Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:02   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:11   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-09 14:11     ` [OpenRISC] " Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-09 14:11     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-09 14:11     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-09 14:11     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-09 14:11     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-09 14:16   ` Robin Murphy
2018-03-09 14:16     ` [OpenRISC] " Robin Murphy
2018-03-09 14:16     ` Robin Murphy
2018-03-09 14:16     ` Robin Murphy
2018-03-09 15:47     ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 15:47       ` [OpenRISC] " Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 15:47       ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 15:47       ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 15:47       ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 15:47       ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:15 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel Robin Murphy
2018-03-09 14:15   ` [OpenRISC] " Robin Murphy
2018-03-09 14:15   ` Robin Murphy
2018-03-09 14:15   ` Robin Murphy
2018-03-09 17:58   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 17:58     ` [OpenRISC] " Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 17:58     ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 17:58     ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 17:58     ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 17:58     ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 14:55 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-09 14:55   ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-09 15:16   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-03-09 15:16     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-03-09 17:58   ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 17:58     ` Andrey Konovalov

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