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From: Jonathan Kowalski <bl0pbl33p@gmail.com>
To: Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Cc: "Jürg Billeter" <j@bitron.ch>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, "Jann Horn" <jannh@google.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	"Linux API" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Konstantin Khlebnikov" <khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Alexey Dobriyan" <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Michael Kerrisk-manpages" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	"Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv@altlinux.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Nagarathnam Muthusamy" <nagarathnam.muthusamy@oracle.com>,
	"Aleksa Sarai" <cyphar@cyphar.com>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	"Daniel Colascione" <dancol@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] pid: add pidfd_open()
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 14:51:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGLj2rGH9FLoydpDZtp9nGHGmpkJQQNaHQvZ9iTtgCnUCFPmYg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190330143726.6aaxz4sctu3pzpyx@brauner.io>

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 2:37 PM Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 12:53:57PM +0100, Jürg Billeter wrote:
> > On Fri, 2019-03-29 at 16:54 +0100, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > > diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/wait.h b/include/uapi/linux/wait.h
> > > index ac49a220cf2a..d6c7c0701997 100644
> > > --- a/include/uapi/linux/wait.h
> > > +++ b/include/uapi/linux/wait.h
> > > @@ -18,5 +18,7 @@
> > >  #define P_PID              1
> > >  #define P_PGID             2
> > >
> > > +/* Get a file descriptor for /proc/<pid> of the corresponding pidfd
> > > */
> > > +#define PIDFD_GET_PROCFD _IOR('p', 1, int)
> > >
> > >  #endif /* _UAPI_LINUX_WAIT_H */
> >
> > This is missing an entry in Documentation/ioctl/ioctl-number.txt and is
> > actually conflicting with existing entries.
>
> Thanks. Yes, Jann mentioned this too.
>
> >
> > However, I'd actually prefer a syscall to allow strict whitelisting via
> > seccomp and avoid the other ioctl disadvantages that Daniel has already
> > mentioned.
>
> You can filter ioctls with seccomp.
>

You probably wouldn't even need to, because the only way the ioctl
would be useful is to have a dir fd to the procfs root. As such, the
pidfd file descriptor itself is useless with the ioctl. There's also
no filtering to be done, as one pidfd strictly maps to a specific
task, so it's not that you get access to other things than what you
weren't permitted to, and that's pretty neat the way it is. If /proc
is not mounted in its namespace, you'd need to pass it to the process
explicitly, and if it is, then it doesn't matter anyway (even if it
can open /proc, hidepid based restrictions still work -- it's
essentially a race free openat).

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jonathan Kowalski <bl0pbl33p@gmail.com>
To: Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Cc: "Jürg Billeter" <j@bitron.ch>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, "Jann Horn" <jannh@google.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	"Linux API" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Konstantin Khlebnikov" <khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Alexey Dobriyan" <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Michael Kerrisk-manpages" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	"Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv@altlinux.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Nagarathnam Muthusamy" <nagarathnam.muthusamy@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] pid: add pidfd_open()
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 14:51:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGLj2rGH9FLoydpDZtp9nGHGmpkJQQNaHQvZ9iTtgCnUCFPmYg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190330143726.6aaxz4sctu3pzpyx@brauner.io>

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 2:37 PM Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 12:53:57PM +0100, Jürg Billeter wrote:
> > On Fri, 2019-03-29 at 16:54 +0100, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > > diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/wait.h b/include/uapi/linux/wait.h
> > > index ac49a220cf2a..d6c7c0701997 100644
> > > --- a/include/uapi/linux/wait.h
> > > +++ b/include/uapi/linux/wait.h
> > > @@ -18,5 +18,7 @@
> > >  #define P_PID              1
> > >  #define P_PGID             2
> > >
> > > +/* Get a file descriptor for /proc/<pid> of the corresponding pidfd
> > > */
> > > +#define PIDFD_GET_PROCFD _IOR('p', 1, int)
> > >
> > >  #endif /* _UAPI_LINUX_WAIT_H */
> >
> > This is missing an entry in Documentation/ioctl/ioctl-number.txt and is
> > actually conflicting with existing entries.
>
> Thanks. Yes, Jann mentioned this too.
>
> >
> > However, I'd actually prefer a syscall to allow strict whitelisting via
> > seccomp and avoid the other ioctl disadvantages that Daniel has already
> > mentioned.
>
> You can filter ioctls with seccomp.
>

You probably wouldn't even need to, because the only way the ioctl
would be useful is to have a dir fd to the procfs root. As such, the
pidfd file descriptor itself is useless with the ioctl. There's also
no filtering to be done, as one pidfd strictly maps to a specific
task, so it's not that you get access to other things than what you
weren't permitted to, and that's pretty neat the way it is. If /proc
is not mounted in its namespace, you'd need to pass it to the process
explicitly, and if it is, then it doesn't matter anyway (even if it
can open /proc, hidepid based restrictions still work -- it's
essentially a race free openat).

  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-30 14:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-29 15:54 [PATCH v2 0/5] pid: add pidfd_open() Christian Brauner
2019-03-29 15:54 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] Make anon_inodes unconditional Christian Brauner
2019-03-29 15:54 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] pid: add pidfd_open() Christian Brauner
2019-03-29 23:45   ` Jann Horn
2019-03-29 23:45     ` Jann Horn
2019-03-29 23:55     ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-29 23:55       ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 11:53   ` Jürg Billeter
2019-03-30 14:37     ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 14:51       ` Jonathan Kowalski [this message]
2019-03-30 14:51         ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-03-29 15:54 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] signal: support pidfd_open() with pidfd_send_signal() Christian Brauner
2019-03-29 15:54 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] signal: PIDFD_SIGNAL_TID threads via pidfds Christian Brauner
2019-03-30  1:06   ` Jann Horn
2019-03-30  1:06     ` Jann Horn
2019-03-30  1:22     ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30  1:22       ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30  1:34       ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30  1:34         ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30  1:42         ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30  1:42           ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-29 15:54 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] tests: add pidfd_open() tests Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 16:09 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] pid: add pidfd_open() Linus Torvalds
2019-03-30 16:09   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-30 16:11   ` Daniel Colascione
2019-03-30 16:11     ` Daniel Colascione
2019-03-30 16:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-30 16:16       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-30 16:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-30 16:18         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-31  1:07         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-31  1:07           ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-31  2:34           ` Jann Horn
2019-03-31  2:34             ` Jann Horn
2019-03-31  4:08             ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-31  4:08               ` Joel Fernandes
2019-03-31  4:46               ` Jann Horn
2019-03-31  4:46                 ` Jann Horn
2019-03-31 14:52                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-31 14:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-31 15:05                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-31 15:05                     ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-31 15:21                     ` Daniel Colascione
2019-03-31 15:21                       ` Daniel Colascione
2019-03-31 15:33                   ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-03-31 15:33                     ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-03-30 16:19   ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 16:19     ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 16:24     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-30 16:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-30 16:34       ` Daniel Colascione
2019-03-30 16:34         ` Daniel Colascione
2019-03-30 16:38         ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 16:38           ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 17:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-30 17:04           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-30 17:12           ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 17:12             ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 17:24             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-30 17:24               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-30 17:37               ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 17:37                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 17:50               ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-03-30 17:50                 ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-03-30 17:52                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 17:52                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 17:59                   ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-03-30 17:59                     ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-03-30 18:02                     ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 18:02                       ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 18:00               ` Jann Horn
2019-03-30 18:00                 ` Jann Horn
2019-03-31 20:09               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-31 20:09                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-31 21:03                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-31 21:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-31 21:10                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-31 21:10                     ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-31 21:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-31 21:17                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-31 22:03                       ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-31 22:03                         ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-31 22:16                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-31 22:16                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-31 22:33                           ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-31 22:33                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-01  0:52                             ` Jann Horn
2019-04-01  0:52                               ` Jann Horn
2019-04-01  8:47                               ` Yann Droneaud
2019-04-01  8:47                                 ` Yann Droneaud
2019-04-01 10:03                               ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-04-01 10:03                                 ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-03-31 23:40                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-31 23:40                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01  0:09                             ` Al Viro
2019-04-01  0:09                               ` Al Viro
2019-04-01  0:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01  0:18                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01  0:21                                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-01  0:21                                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-01  6:37                                 ` Al Viro
2019-04-01  6:37                                   ` Al Viro
2019-04-01  6:41                                   ` Al Viro
2019-04-01  6:41                                     ` Al Viro
2019-03-31 22:03                       ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-03-31 22:03                         ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-04-01  2:13                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-01  2:13                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-01 11:40                         ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-04-01 11:40                           ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-04-01 15:36                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 15:36                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 15:47                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-01 15:47                               ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-01 15:55                             ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-01 15:55                               ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-01 16:01                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 16:01                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 16:13                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-01 16:13                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-01 19:42                                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-01 19:42                                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-01 21:30                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 21:30                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 21:58                                     ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-04-01 21:58                                       ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-04-01 22:13                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 22:13                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 22:34                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-01 22:34                                           ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-01 16:07                               ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-04-01 16:07                                 ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-04-01 16:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 16:15                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 16:27                                   ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-04-01 16:27                                     ` Jonathan Kowalski
2019-04-01 16:21                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-01 16:21                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-01 16:29                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 16:29                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 16:45                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-01 16:45                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-01 17:00                                       ` David Laight
2019-04-01 17:00                                         ` David Laight
2019-04-01 17:32                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-01 17:32                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-02 11:03                                       ` Florian Weimer
2019-04-02 11:03                                         ` Florian Weimer
2019-04-01 16:10                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-01 16:10                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-01 12:04                         ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-01 12:04                           ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-01 13:43                           ` Jann Horn
2019-04-01 13:43                             ` Jann Horn
2019-03-31 21:19                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-31 21:19                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 16:37       ` Christian Brauner
2019-03-30 16:37         ` Christian Brauner

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