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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	mm-commits@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-Next <linux-next@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: ppc elf_map breakage with MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:55:14 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5j+fo0Z_ax2O10A-3D3puLhnX+o5M4Lp3TBsnE=NtFCjpw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180201134026.GK21609@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:40 AM, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Thu 01-02-18 14:10:07, Michal Hocko wrote:
> Thanks a lot to Michael Matz for his background. He has pointed me to
> the following two segments from your binary[1]
>   LOAD           0x0000000000000000 0x0000000010000000 0x0000000010000000
>                  0x0000000000013a8c 0x0000000000013a8c  R E    10000
>   LOAD           0x000000000001fd40 0x000000001002fd40 0x000000001002fd40
>                  0x00000000000002c0 0x00000000000005e8  RW     10000
>   LOAD           0x0000000000020328 0x0000000010030328 0x0000000010030328
>                  0x0000000000000384 0x00000000000094a0  RW     10000
>
> That binary has two RW LOAD segments, the first crosses a page border
> into the second
> 0x1002fd40 (LOAD2-vaddr) + 0x5e8 (LOAD2-memlen) == 0x10030328 (LOAD3-vaddr)
>
> He says
> : This is actually an artifact of RELRO machinism.  The first RW mapping
> : will be remapped as RO after relocations are applied (to increase
> : security).
> : Well, to be honest, normal relro binaries also don't have more than
> : two LOAD segments, so whatever RHEL did to their compilation options,
> : it's something in addition to just relro (which can be detected by
> : having a GNU_RELRO program header)
> : But it definitely has something to do with relro, it's just not the
> : whole story yet.
>
> I am still trying to wrap my head around all this, but it smells rather
> dubious to map different segments over the same page. Is this something
> that might happen widely and therefore MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE is a no-go
> when loading ELF segments? Or is this a special case we can detect?

Eww. FWIW, I would expect that to be rare and detectable.

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security

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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	mm-commits@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-Next <linux-next@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: ppc elf_map breakage with MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:55:14 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5j+fo0Z_ax2O10A-3D3puLhnX+o5M4Lp3TBsnE=NtFCjpw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180201134026.GK21609@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:40 AM, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Thu 01-02-18 14:10:07, Michal Hocko wrote:
> Thanks a lot to Michael Matz for his background. He has pointed me to
> the following two segments from your binary[1]
>   LOAD           0x0000000000000000 0x0000000010000000 0x0000000010000000
>                  0x0000000000013a8c 0x0000000000013a8c  R E    10000
>   LOAD           0x000000000001fd40 0x000000001002fd40 0x000000001002fd40
>                  0x00000000000002c0 0x00000000000005e8  RW     10000
>   LOAD           0x0000000000020328 0x0000000010030328 0x0000000010030328
>                  0x0000000000000384 0x00000000000094a0  RW     10000
>
> That binary has two RW LOAD segments, the first crosses a page border
> into the second
> 0x1002fd40 (LOAD2-vaddr) + 0x5e8 (LOAD2-memlen) == 0x10030328 (LOAD3-vaddr)
>
> He says
> : This is actually an artifact of RELRO machinism.  The first RW mapping
> : will be remapped as RO after relocations are applied (to increase
> : security).
> : Well, to be honest, normal relro binaries also don't have more than
> : two LOAD segments, so whatever RHEL did to their compilation options,
> : it's something in addition to just relro (which can be detected by
> : having a GNU_RELRO program header)
> : But it definitely has something to do with relro, it's just not the
> : whole story yet.
>
> I am still trying to wrap my head around all this, but it smells rather
> dubious to map different segments over the same page. Is this something
> that might happen widely and therefore MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE is a no-go
> when loading ELF segments? Or is this a special case we can detect?

Eww. FWIW, I would expect that to be rare and detectable.

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-01 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-05  0:20 mmotm 2018-01-04-16-19 uploaded akpm
2018-01-05  0:20 ` akpm
2018-01-05  6:43 ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-05  6:43   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-05  8:46   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-05  8:46     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-07  6:49     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-07  6:49       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-07  9:02       ` ppc elf_map breakage with MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE (was: Re: mmotm 2018-01-04-16-19 uploaded) Michal Hocko
2018-01-07  9:02         ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-07 11:26         ` Michael Ellerman
2018-01-07 11:26           ` Michael Ellerman
2018-01-08  3:02           ` ppc elf_map breakage with MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-08  3:02             ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-08 22:12             ` Michael Ellerman
2018-01-08 22:12               ` Michael Ellerman
2018-01-08 22:12               ` Michael Ellerman
2018-01-09 11:48               ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-09 11:48                 ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-09 16:13                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-09 16:13                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-11 10:08                   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-11 10:08                     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-17  8:07                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-17  8:07                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-23 11:25                       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-23 11:25                         ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-23 12:45                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-23 12:45                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-23 15:58                           ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-23 15:58                             ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-23 16:06                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-23 16:06                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-24  5:09                               ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-24  5:09                                 ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-24  9:05                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-24  9:05                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-26 12:34                                   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-26 12:34                                     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-26 14:04                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-26 14:04                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-29  2:47                                       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-29  2:47                                         ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-29  5:32                                         ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-29  5:32                                           ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-29 13:22                                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-29 13:22                                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-30  3:35                                             ` Michael Ellerman
2018-01-30  3:35                                               ` Michael Ellerman
2018-01-30  9:42                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-30  9:42                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-31  5:05                                                 ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-31  5:05                                                   ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-01-31 13:19                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-31 13:19                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-01  3:13                                                     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-02-01  3:13                                                       ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-02-01 13:10                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-01 13:10                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-01 13:40                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-01 13:40                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-01 20:55                                                           ` Kees Cook [this message]
2018-02-01 20:55                                                             ` Kees Cook
2018-02-13 10:04                                                             ` [RFC PATCH] elf: enforce MAP_FIXED on overlaying elf segments (was: Re: ppc elf_map breakage with MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE) Michal Hocko
2018-02-13 10:04                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-13 10:04                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-14 16:30                                                               ` Khalid Aziz
2018-02-14 16:30                                                                 ` Khalid Aziz
2018-02-01 13:48                                                       ` ppc elf_map breakage with MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE Michal Hocko
2018-02-01 13:48                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-01 21:06                                                         ` Kees Cook
2018-02-01 21:06                                                           ` Kees Cook
2018-02-12 14:48                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-12 14:48                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-13  1:02                                                           ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-02-13  1:02                                                             ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-02-13  6:49                                                         ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-02-13  6:49                                                           ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-02-13 10:00                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-13 10:00                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-05 12:14   ` mmotm 2018-01-04-16-19 uploaded Michal Hocko
2018-01-05 12:14     ` Michal Hocko

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