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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: Ori Mamluk <omamluk@zerto.com>
Cc: "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"תומר בן אור" <tomer@zertodata.com>, "עודד קדם" <oded@zerto.com>,
	dlaor@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Yair Kuszpet" <yairk@zerto.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] replication agent module
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:03:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJSP0QWe_XOci6pwpDQix9mqosAnMRkN7pE867=dqSRQj02-fA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F3211D0.3070502@zerto.com>

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Ori Mamluk <omamluk@zerto.com> wrote:
> On 07/02/2012 17:47, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> But I'm also starting to wonder whether it would be simpler to use
>> existing replication code.  DRBD is more feature-rich, and you can use it
>> over loopback or NBD devices (respectively raw and non-raw), and also store
>> the replication metadata on a file using the loopback device. Ceph even has
>> a userspace library and support within QEMU.
>>
> I think there are two immediate problems that drbd poses:
> 1. Our replication is not a simple mirror - it maintains history. I.e. you
> can recover to any point in time in the last X hours (usually 24) at a
> granularity of about 5 seconds.
> To be able to do that and keep the replica consistent we need to be notified
> for each IO.

If you intend to run an unmodified drbd server on the rephub, then it
may not be possible to get point-in-time backups.  (Although this
probably depends since things like btrfs or zfs may allow you to get
back to arbitrary transactions or timestamps.)

But you could consider drbd as a network protocol and implement your
own server which speaks the protocol.  Then you can add any
functionality you like, just like the case with the proprietary rephub
server you mentioned in your patch.

So the only difference is that instead of using a new custom protocol
the rephub would need to speak the drbd protocol.

Stefan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-08 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-07 10:29 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] replication agent module Ori Mamluk
2012-02-07 12:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 12:25   ` Dor Laor
2012-02-07 12:30     ` Ori Mamluk
2012-02-07 12:40       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 14:06         ` Ori Mamluk
2012-02-07 14:40           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-07 14:48             ` Ori Mamluk
2012-02-07 15:47               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-08  6:10                 ` Ori Mamluk
2012-02-08  8:49                   ` Dor Laor
2012-02-08 11:59                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-08  8:55                   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-02-08  9:47                     ` Ori Mamluk
2012-02-08 10:04                       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-02-08 13:28                         ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Replication agent design (was [RFC PATCH] replication agent module) Ori Mamluk
2012-02-08 14:59                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-08 14:59                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-19 13:40                             ` Ori Mamluk
2012-02-20 14:32                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-21  9:03                                 ` [Qemu-devel] BlockDriverState stack and BlockListeners (was: [RFC] Replication agent design) Kevin Wolf
2012-02-21  9:15                                   ` [Qemu-devel] BlockDriverState stack and BlockListeners Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-21  9:49                                     ` Kevin Wolf
2012-02-21 10:09                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-21 10:51                                         ` Kevin Wolf
2012-02-21 11:36                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-21 12:22                                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-21 12:57                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-21 15:49                                               ` Markus Armbruster
2012-02-21 13:10                                             ` Kevin Wolf
2012-02-21 13:21                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-21 15:56                                               ` Markus Armbruster
2012-02-21 16:04                                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-02-21 16:19                                                   ` Markus Armbruster
2012-02-21 16:39                                                     ` Kevin Wolf
2012-02-21 17:16                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-21 10:20                                       ` Ori Mamluk
2012-02-29  8:38                                   ` Ori Mamluk
2012-03-03 11:46                                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-03-04  5:14                                       ` Ori Mamluk
2012-03-04  8:56                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-05 12:04                                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-08 11:02                   ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] replication agent module Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-08 13:00                     ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Replication agent requirements (was [RFC PATCH] replication agent module) Ori Mamluk
2012-02-08 13:30                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-08 12:03                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2012-02-08 12:46                     ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] replication agent module Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-08 14:39                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-08 14:55                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-08 15:07                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-07 14:53             ` Kevin Wolf
2012-02-07 15:00             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 13:34 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-02-07 13:50   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-07 13:58     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-07 14:05     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-02-08 12:17       ` Orit Wasserman
2012-02-07 14:18     ` Ori Mamluk
2012-02-07 14:59     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 15:20       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-07 16:25         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-21 16:01       ` Markus Armbruster
2012-02-21 17:31         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-07 14:45   ` Ori Mamluk
2012-02-08 12:29     ` Orit Wasserman
2012-02-08 11:45   ` Luiz Capitulino

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