* OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 @ 2018-11-01 14:04 Trevor Woerner 2018-11-01 15:32 ` akuster808 2018-11-01 19:56 ` Jon Mason 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Trevor Woerner @ 2018-11-01 14:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: yocto, openembedded-core, yocto-advocacy Hello Fellow YP/OE Enthusiasts! There were discussions at our recent OEDEM regarding: - our next developers meeting - SCaLE 2019 - expanding/adding to the YP/OE presence at conferences (i.e. our own miniconf?) Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk Unfortunately, although lots of opinions were expressed, nothing concrete was decided. Many people pointed out that their travel budgets are already strained or maxed out, so adding another conference would be difficult if not impossible. It's unclear how many "core" YP/OE people might show up at next year's SCaLE. Also, given that this year's ELC scheduling hiccup is a one-off, maybe it doesn't make as much sense to put in all the work required to run an OEDAM at SCaLE if it's only ever going to happen once. Therefore I think I can safely say the organizing committee for YP/OE Things at SCaLE 2019 is leaning towards not running an OEDAM. It's not too late to change our plans. If a large number of core people reply to this email saying they want and OEDAM in March and will be available in Pasadena, then we could accommodate it. It's just that we didn't leave Edinburgh with the feeling that an OEDAM at SCaLE was feasible. Also, at this point SCaLE isn't on the radars of many of the core YP/OE people, and currently the conference tends to attract users rather than developers (or so is my impression). Thoughts? Best regards, Trevor ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [OE-core] OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 2018-11-01 14:04 OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 Trevor Woerner @ 2018-11-01 15:32 ` akuster808 2018-11-01 19:56 ` Jon Mason 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: akuster808 @ 2018-11-01 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Trevor Woerner, yocto, openembedded-core, yocto-advocacy Trevor, On 11/1/18 7:04 AM, Trevor Woerner wrote: > Hello Fellow YP/OE Enthusiasts! > > There were discussions at our recent OEDEM regarding: > - our next developers meeting > - SCaLE 2019 > - expanding/adding to the YP/OE presence at conferences (i.e. our own > miniconf?) > > Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45 > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk Could you please give us a day's notice the next time so we can properly set the perms for our minutes. - armin > > Unfortunately, although lots of opinions were expressed, nothing concrete was > decided. Many people pointed out that their travel budgets are already > strained or maxed out, so adding another conference would be difficult if not > impossible. It's unclear how many "core" YP/OE people might show up at next > year's SCaLE. Also, given that this year's ELC scheduling hiccup is a one-off, > maybe it doesn't make as much sense to put in all the work required to run an > OEDAM at SCaLE if it's only ever going to happen once. Therefore I think I can > safely say the organizing committee for YP/OE Things at SCaLE 2019 is leaning > towards not running an OEDAM. > > It's not too late to change our plans. If a large number of core people reply > to this email saying they want and OEDAM in March and will be available in > Pasadena, then we could accommodate it. It's just that we didn't leave > Edinburgh with the feeling that an OEDAM at SCaLE was feasible. Also, at this > point SCaLE isn't on the radars of many of the core YP/OE people, and > currently the conference tends to attract users rather than developers (or so > is my impression). > > Thoughts? > > Best regards, > Trevor ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 @ 2018-11-01 15:32 ` akuster808 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: akuster808 @ 2018-11-01 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Trevor Woerner, yocto, openembedded-core, yocto-advocacy Trevor, On 11/1/18 7:04 AM, Trevor Woerner wrote: > Hello Fellow YP/OE Enthusiasts! > > There were discussions at our recent OEDEM regarding: > - our next developers meeting > - SCaLE 2019 > - expanding/adding to the YP/OE presence at conferences (i.e. our own > miniconf?) > > Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45 > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk Could you please give us a day's notice the next time so we can properly set the perms for our minutes. - armin > > Unfortunately, although lots of opinions were expressed, nothing concrete was > decided. Many people pointed out that their travel budgets are already > strained or maxed out, so adding another conference would be difficult if not > impossible. It's unclear how many "core" YP/OE people might show up at next > year's SCaLE. Also, given that this year's ELC scheduling hiccup is a one-off, > maybe it doesn't make as much sense to put in all the work required to run an > OEDAM at SCaLE if it's only ever going to happen once. Therefore I think I can > safely say the organizing committee for YP/OE Things at SCaLE 2019 is leaning > towards not running an OEDAM. > > It's not too late to change our plans. If a large number of core people reply > to this email saying they want and OEDAM in March and will be available in > Pasadena, then we could accommodate it. It's just that we didn't leave > Edinburgh with the feeling that an OEDAM at SCaLE was feasible. Also, at this > point SCaLE isn't on the radars of many of the core YP/OE people, and > currently the conference tends to attract users rather than developers (or so > is my impression). > > Thoughts? > > Best regards, > Trevor ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [OE-core] OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 2018-11-01 15:32 ` akuster808 @ 2018-11-01 15:48 ` Trevor Woerner -1 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Trevor Woerner @ 2018-11-01 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: akuster808 Cc: Yocto discussion list, yocto-advocacy, Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 407 bytes --] On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:32 PM akuster808 <akuster808@gmail.com> wrote: > Trevor, > > > On 11/1/18 7:04 AM, Trevor Woerner wrote: > > Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45 > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk > > Could you please give us a day's notice the next time so we can properly > set the perms for our minutes. > > Will do, sorry! [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 823 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 @ 2018-11-01 15:48 ` Trevor Woerner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Trevor Woerner @ 2018-11-01 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: akuster808 Cc: Yocto discussion list, yocto-advocacy, Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 407 bytes --] On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:32 PM akuster808 <akuster808@gmail.com> wrote: > Trevor, > > > On 11/1/18 7:04 AM, Trevor Woerner wrote: > > Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45 > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk > > Could you please give us a day's notice the next time so we can properly > set the perms for our minutes. > > Will do, sorry! [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 823 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [OE-core] OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 2018-11-01 14:04 OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 Trevor Woerner @ 2018-11-01 19:56 ` Jon Mason 2018-11-01 19:56 ` Jon Mason 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Jon Mason @ 2018-11-01 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: twoerner; +Cc: Yocto discussion list, yocto-advocacy, openembedded-core On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 10:04 AM Trevor Woerner <twoerner@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Fellow YP/OE Enthusiasts! > > There were discussions at our recent OEDEM regarding: > - our next developers meeting > - SCaLE 2019 > - expanding/adding to the YP/OE presence at conferences (i.e. our own > miniconf?) > > Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45 > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk > > Unfortunately, although lots of opinions were expressed, nothing concrete was > decided. Many people pointed out that their travel budgets are already > strained or maxed out, so adding another conference would be difficult if not > impossible. It's unclear how many "core" YP/OE people might show up at next > year's SCaLE. Also, given that this year's ELC scheduling hiccup is a one-off, > maybe it doesn't make as much sense to put in all the work required to run an > OEDAM at SCaLE if it's only ever going to happen once. Therefore I think I can > safely say the organizing committee for YP/OE Things at SCaLE 2019 is leaning > towards not running an OEDAM. > > It's not too late to change our plans. If a large number of core people reply > to this email saying they want and OEDAM in March and will be available in > Pasadena, then we could accommodate it. It's just that we didn't leave > Edinburgh with the feeling that an OEDAM at SCaLE was feasible. Also, at this > point SCaLE isn't on the radars of many of the core YP/OE people, and > currently the conference tends to attract users rather than developers (or so > is my impression). > > Thoughts? I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there). Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences. So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more flexible. Thanks, Jon > > Best regards, > Trevor > -- > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-core mailing list > Openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 @ 2018-11-01 19:56 ` Jon Mason 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Jon Mason @ 2018-11-01 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: twoerner; +Cc: Yocto discussion list, yocto-advocacy, openembedded-core On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 10:04 AM Trevor Woerner <twoerner@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Fellow YP/OE Enthusiasts! > > There were discussions at our recent OEDEM regarding: > - our next developers meeting > - SCaLE 2019 > - expanding/adding to the YP/OE presence at conferences (i.e. our own > miniconf?) > > Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45 > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk > > Unfortunately, although lots of opinions were expressed, nothing concrete was > decided. Many people pointed out that their travel budgets are already > strained or maxed out, so adding another conference would be difficult if not > impossible. It's unclear how many "core" YP/OE people might show up at next > year's SCaLE. Also, given that this year's ELC scheduling hiccup is a one-off, > maybe it doesn't make as much sense to put in all the work required to run an > OEDAM at SCaLE if it's only ever going to happen once. Therefore I think I can > safely say the organizing committee for YP/OE Things at SCaLE 2019 is leaning > towards not running an OEDAM. > > It's not too late to change our plans. If a large number of core people reply > to this email saying they want and OEDAM in March and will be available in > Pasadena, then we could accommodate it. It's just that we didn't leave > Edinburgh with the feeling that an OEDAM at SCaLE was feasible. Also, at this > point SCaLE isn't on the radars of many of the core YP/OE people, and > currently the conference tends to attract users rather than developers (or so > is my impression). > > Thoughts? I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there). Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences. So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more flexible. Thanks, Jon > > Best regards, > Trevor > -- > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-core mailing list > Openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [OE-core] OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 2018-11-01 19:56 ` Jon Mason @ 2018-11-01 20:00 ` darknighte -1 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: darknighte @ 2018-11-01 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jdmason; +Cc: Yocto Project, openembedded-core, yocto-advocacy OE folks, The OE board hasn't made a final decision yet, but plan to make one soon. We will send an update as soon as we have. In the meantime, if folks who are interested in attending something at SCaLE, it will be factored into the board's decision making process. On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:57 PM Jon Mason <jdmason@kudzu.us> wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 10:04 AM Trevor Woerner <twoerner@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hello Fellow YP/OE Enthusiasts! > > > > There were discussions at our recent OEDEM regarding: > > - our next developers meeting > > - SCaLE 2019 > > - expanding/adding to the YP/OE presence at conferences (i.e. our own > > miniconf?) > > > > Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45 > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk > > > > Unfortunately, although lots of opinions were expressed, nothing concrete was > > decided. Many people pointed out that their travel budgets are already > > strained or maxed out, so adding another conference would be difficult if not > > impossible. It's unclear how many "core" YP/OE people might show up at next > > year's SCaLE. Also, given that this year's ELC scheduling hiccup is a one-off, > > maybe it doesn't make as much sense to put in all the work required to run an > > OEDAM at SCaLE if it's only ever going to happen once. Therefore I think I can > > safely say the organizing committee for YP/OE Things at SCaLE 2019 is leaning > > towards not running an OEDAM. > > > > It's not too late to change our plans. If a large number of core people reply > > to this email saying they want and OEDAM in March and will be available in > > Pasadena, then we could accommodate it. It's just that we didn't leave > > Edinburgh with the feeling that an OEDAM at SCaLE was feasible. Also, at this > > point SCaLE isn't on the radars of many of the core YP/OE people, and > > currently the conference tends to attract users rather than developers (or so > > is my impression). > > > > Thoughts? > > I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there). > > Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences. > So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in > the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people > present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more > flexible. > > Thanks, > Jon > > > > > Best regards, > > Trevor > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Openembedded-core mailing list > > Openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org > > http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core > -- > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-core mailing list > Openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 @ 2018-11-01 20:00 ` darknighte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: darknighte @ 2018-11-01 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jdmason; +Cc: Yocto Project, openembedded-core, yocto-advocacy OE folks, The OE board hasn't made a final decision yet, but plan to make one soon. We will send an update as soon as we have. In the meantime, if folks who are interested in attending something at SCaLE, it will be factored into the board's decision making process. On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:57 PM Jon Mason <jdmason@kudzu.us> wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 10:04 AM Trevor Woerner <twoerner@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hello Fellow YP/OE Enthusiasts! > > > > There were discussions at our recent OEDEM regarding: > > - our next developers meeting > > - SCaLE 2019 > > - expanding/adding to the YP/OE presence at conferences (i.e. our own > > miniconf?) > > > > Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45 > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk > > > > Unfortunately, although lots of opinions were expressed, nothing concrete was > > decided. Many people pointed out that their travel budgets are already > > strained or maxed out, so adding another conference would be difficult if not > > impossible. It's unclear how many "core" YP/OE people might show up at next > > year's SCaLE. Also, given that this year's ELC scheduling hiccup is a one-off, > > maybe it doesn't make as much sense to put in all the work required to run an > > OEDAM at SCaLE if it's only ever going to happen once. Therefore I think I can > > safely say the organizing committee for YP/OE Things at SCaLE 2019 is leaning > > towards not running an OEDAM. > > > > It's not too late to change our plans. If a large number of core people reply > > to this email saying they want and OEDAM in March and will be available in > > Pasadena, then we could accommodate it. It's just that we didn't leave > > Edinburgh with the feeling that an OEDAM at SCaLE was feasible. Also, at this > > point SCaLE isn't on the radars of many of the core YP/OE people, and > > currently the conference tends to attract users rather than developers (or so > > is my impression). > > > > Thoughts? > > I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there). > > Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences. > So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in > the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people > present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more > flexible. > > Thanks, > Jon > > > > > Best regards, > > Trevor > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Openembedded-core mailing list > > Openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org > > http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core > -- > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-core mailing list > Openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [OE-core] OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 2018-11-01 19:56 ` Jon Mason @ 2018-11-02 2:27 ` Trevor Woerner -1 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Trevor Woerner @ 2018-11-02 2:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jdmason Cc: Yocto discussion list, yocto-advocacy, Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1262 bytes --] Hi Jon, On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Jon Mason <jdmason@kudzu.us> wrote: > I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there). > > Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences. > So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in > the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people > present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more > flexible. > As it turns out, I'll be organising the YP/OE Miniconf that will most likely be run on the Sunday. I was going to send out a separate email discussing the Miniconf, but I guess now is as good a time as any :-) While it's true that the CFP has closed for SCaLE, I plan to open my own CFP specifically for the Miniconf, and I don't plan to close it until closer to the conference itself. I want to encourage people to give talks about current things, as such, having a CFP close this early wouldn't do. We haven't decided on a format for the Miniconf, exactly, if we have traditional talks, we'll have 6 sessions (2 before lunch, 4 after). But depending on interest and what sort of proposals we get, we might do some longer, some shorter talks. I hope this helps. Best regards, Trevor [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1626 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 @ 2018-11-02 2:27 ` Trevor Woerner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Trevor Woerner @ 2018-11-02 2:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jdmason Cc: Yocto discussion list, yocto-advocacy, Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1262 bytes --] Hi Jon, On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Jon Mason <jdmason@kudzu.us> wrote: > I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there). > > Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences. > So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in > the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people > present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more > flexible. > As it turns out, I'll be organising the YP/OE Miniconf that will most likely be run on the Sunday. I was going to send out a separate email discussing the Miniconf, but I guess now is as good a time as any :-) While it's true that the CFP has closed for SCaLE, I plan to open my own CFP specifically for the Miniconf, and I don't plan to close it until closer to the conference itself. I want to encourage people to give talks about current things, as such, having a CFP close this early wouldn't do. We haven't decided on a format for the Miniconf, exactly, if we have traditional talks, we'll have 6 sessions (2 before lunch, 4 after). But depending on interest and what sort of proposals we get, we might do some longer, some shorter talks. I hope this helps. Best regards, Trevor [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1626 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [OE-core] OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 2018-11-02 2:27 ` Trevor Woerner @ 2018-11-02 15:57 ` akuster808 -1 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: akuster808 @ 2018-11-02 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Trevor Woerner, jdmason Cc: Yocto discussion list, yocto-advocacy, Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1885 bytes --] Morning Trevor, On 11/1/18 7:27 PM, Trevor Woerner wrote: > Hi Jon, > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Jon Mason <jdmason@kudzu.us > <mailto:jdmason@kudzu.us>> wrote: > > I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there). > > Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences. > So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in > the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people > present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more > flexible. > > > As it turns out, I'll be organising the YP/OE Miniconf that will most > likely be run on the Sunday. I was going to send out a separate email > discussing the Miniconf, but I guess now is as good a time as any :-) I would like a some clarification. As fas as the OE Board knows, we had one room available on Sunday. Is this the same room or did you find some other space at the venue? I am a bit confused about the messaging. The subject and Jon's statement are all about OEDaM but your addition to this tread is about a Miniconf. Is the Miniconf a separate thing? > > While it's true that the CFP has closed for SCaLE, I plan to open my > own CFP specifically for the Miniconf, and I don't plan to close it > until closer to the conference itself. I want to encourage people to > give talks about current things, as such, having a CFP close this > early wouldn't do. > > We haven't decided on a format for the Miniconf, exactly, if we have > traditional talks, we'll have 6 sessions (2 before lunch, 4 after). > But depending on interest and what sort of proposals we get, we might > do some longer, some shorter talks. May I ask who "We" are? AFAIK, Behan and Tom are doing a *-ale tracks at Scale. - armin > > I hope this helps. Best regards, > Trevor > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3844 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 @ 2018-11-02 15:57 ` akuster808 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: akuster808 @ 2018-11-02 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Trevor Woerner, jdmason Cc: Yocto discussion list, yocto-advocacy, Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1885 bytes --] Morning Trevor, On 11/1/18 7:27 PM, Trevor Woerner wrote: > Hi Jon, > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Jon Mason <jdmason@kudzu.us > <mailto:jdmason@kudzu.us>> wrote: > > I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there). > > Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences. > So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in > the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people > present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more > flexible. > > > As it turns out, I'll be organising the YP/OE Miniconf that will most > likely be run on the Sunday. I was going to send out a separate email > discussing the Miniconf, but I guess now is as good a time as any :-) I would like a some clarification. As fas as the OE Board knows, we had one room available on Sunday. Is this the same room or did you find some other space at the venue? I am a bit confused about the messaging. The subject and Jon's statement are all about OEDaM but your addition to this tread is about a Miniconf. Is the Miniconf a separate thing? > > While it's true that the CFP has closed for SCaLE, I plan to open my > own CFP specifically for the Miniconf, and I don't plan to close it > until closer to the conference itself. I want to encourage people to > give talks about current things, as such, having a CFP close this > early wouldn't do. > > We haven't decided on a format for the Miniconf, exactly, if we have > traditional talks, we'll have 6 sessions (2 before lunch, 4 after). > But depending on interest and what sort of proposals we get, we might > do some longer, some shorter talks. May I ask who "We" are? AFAIK, Behan and Tom are doing a *-ale tracks at Scale. - armin > > I hope this helps. Best regards, > Trevor > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3844 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [OE-core] OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 2018-11-02 15:57 ` akuster808 @ 2018-11-02 21:51 ` Sean Hudson -1 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Sean Hudson @ 2018-11-02 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: akuster808, Trevor Woerner, jdmason Cc: Yocto discussion list, yocto-advocacy, Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer On 11/2/18 10:57 AM, akuster808 wrote: > Morning Trevor, > > On 11/1/18 7:27 PM, Trevor Woerner wrote: >> Hi Jon, >> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Jon Mason <jdmason@kudzu.us >> <mailto:jdmason@kudzu.us>> wrote: >> >> I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there). >> >> Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences. >> So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in >> the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people >> present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more >> flexible. >> >> >> As it turns out, I'll be organising the YP/OE Miniconf that will most >> likely be run on the Sunday. I was going to send out a separate email >> discussing the Miniconf, but I guess now is as good a time as any :-) > > > I would like a some clarification. As fas as the OE Board knows, we had > one room available on Sunday. Is this the same room or did you find some > other space at the venue? I am a bit confused about the messaging. The > subject and Jon's statement are all about OEDaM but your addition to > this tread is about a Miniconf. Is the Miniconf a separate thing? > >> >> While it's true that the CFP has closed for SCaLE, I plan to open my >> own CFP specifically for the Miniconf, and I don't plan to close it >> until closer to the conference itself. I want to encourage people to >> give talks about current things, as such, having a CFP close this >> early wouldn't do. >> >> We haven't decided on a format for the Miniconf, exactly, if we have >> traditional talks, we'll have 6 sessions (2 before lunch, 4 after). >> But depending on interest and what sort of proposals we get, we might >> do some longer, some shorter talks. > > > May I ask who "We" are? AFAIK, Behan and Tom are doing a *-ale tracks at > Scale. > > Trevor, The OpenEmbedded board had a quick discussion and would like to share a few things. First, the board fully supports any OpenEmbedded member organizing community events. Second, thank you for stepping up to organize such an event. We greatly appreciate it and will support you as best we can. Third, the desire for user-centric events or a separate conference entirely has been discussed at several of the recent developer meetings, while at the same time, we've seen a growing number of users attending these meetings "just to observe". It sounds like the event that you are starting to organize at SCaLE presents the perfect opportunity to start creating such a user-centric meeting. Lastly, as was brought up at the meeting in Edinburgh, this is all occurring *very* late for conference planning, which adds greatly to everyone's stress and angst. With that said, the board does have a concern, a request, and a suggestion. (triple threat!) The concern arises from the history associated with the OEDEM and OEDAM names/meetings. Specifically, we are concerned about possible confusion that may arise from overusing those terms. FWIW, members expressed this at the last several developer meetings publicly and have also expressed reservations to board members privately. For many, employers will only pay for them to go to a single "meeting" a year. This means we need to make it easy for users, developers, and their employers to know what type of meeting is being held. So, we request that you call the event that you are organizing an OpenEmbedded User Summit, or something similar. We think this will help clarify things and it also preserves the use of the "official", OpenEmbedded Developer Meetings terms, e.g. OEDEM or OEDAM, for the OE developers. Recognizing that we are scrambling to get things organized at the last minute, we further suggest that we put together a quick verbal discussion with all the necessary folks present. ATM, that appears to be you, Tom K, Behan, and the OE board. -- Sean ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019 @ 2018-11-02 21:51 ` Sean Hudson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Sean Hudson @ 2018-11-02 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: akuster808, Trevor Woerner, jdmason Cc: Yocto discussion list, yocto-advocacy, Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer On 11/2/18 10:57 AM, akuster808 wrote: > Morning Trevor, > > On 11/1/18 7:27 PM, Trevor Woerner wrote: >> Hi Jon, >> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Jon Mason <jdmason@kudzu.us >> <mailto:jdmason@kudzu.us>> wrote: >> >> I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there). >> >> Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences. >> So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in >> the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people >> present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more >> flexible. >> >> >> As it turns out, I'll be organising the YP/OE Miniconf that will most >> likely be run on the Sunday. I was going to send out a separate email >> discussing the Miniconf, but I guess now is as good a time as any :-) > > > I would like a some clarification. As fas as the OE Board knows, we had > one room available on Sunday. Is this the same room or did you find some > other space at the venue? I am a bit confused about the messaging. The > subject and Jon's statement are all about OEDaM but your addition to > this tread is about a Miniconf. Is the Miniconf a separate thing? > >> >> While it's true that the CFP has closed for SCaLE, I plan to open my >> own CFP specifically for the Miniconf, and I don't plan to close it >> until closer to the conference itself. I want to encourage people to >> give talks about current things, as such, having a CFP close this >> early wouldn't do. >> >> We haven't decided on a format for the Miniconf, exactly, if we have >> traditional talks, we'll have 6 sessions (2 before lunch, 4 after). >> But depending on interest and what sort of proposals we get, we might >> do some longer, some shorter talks. > > > May I ask who "We" are? AFAIK, Behan and Tom are doing a *-ale tracks at > Scale. > > Trevor, The OpenEmbedded board had a quick discussion and would like to share a few things. First, the board fully supports any OpenEmbedded member organizing community events. Second, thank you for stepping up to organize such an event. We greatly appreciate it and will support you as best we can. Third, the desire for user-centric events or a separate conference entirely has been discussed at several of the recent developer meetings, while at the same time, we've seen a growing number of users attending these meetings "just to observe". It sounds like the event that you are starting to organize at SCaLE presents the perfect opportunity to start creating such a user-centric meeting. Lastly, as was brought up at the meeting in Edinburgh, this is all occurring *very* late for conference planning, which adds greatly to everyone's stress and angst. With that said, the board does have a concern, a request, and a suggestion. (triple threat!) The concern arises from the history associated with the OEDEM and OEDAM names/meetings. Specifically, we are concerned about possible confusion that may arise from overusing those terms. FWIW, members expressed this at the last several developer meetings publicly and have also expressed reservations to board members privately. For many, employers will only pay for them to go to a single "meeting" a year. This means we need to make it easy for users, developers, and their employers to know what type of meeting is being held. So, we request that you call the event that you are organizing an OpenEmbedded User Summit, or something similar. We think this will help clarify things and it also preserves the use of the "official", OpenEmbedded Developer Meetings terms, e.g. OEDEM or OEDAM, for the OE developers. Recognizing that we are scrambling to get things organized at the last minute, we further suggest that we put together a quick verbal discussion with all the necessary folks present. ATM, that appears to be you, Tom K, Behan, and the OE board. -- Sean ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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