[Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread

[Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread

[Theodore Ts'o]

Hi,

Please reply to this thread if you have any comments about how we can
better organize the Kernel Summit for next year (i.e., the open
technical discussion track that was open to anyone with a Maintainer's
Summit or OSS Europe Badge, and the "unconference track").

Note that next year the plan is that the Kernel Summit and the
Maintainer's Summit will be colocated with the Linux Plumbers
Conference in Philadelphia.

					- Ted

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread

[Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)]

> Note that next year the plan is that the Kernel Summit and the
> Maintainer's Summit will be colocated with the Linux Plumbers
> Conference in Philadelphia.

Just by the way, what are the dates for next year's LPC?

-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread

[Laura Abbott]

On 10/29/2017 03:12 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Please reply to this thread if you have any comments about how we can
> better organize the Kernel Summit for next year (i.e., the open
> technical discussion track that was open to anyone with a Maintainer's
> Summit or OSS Europe Badge, and the "unconference track").
> 
> Note that next year the plan is that the Kernel Summit and the
> Maintainer's Summit will be colocated with the Linux Plumbers
> Conference in Philadelphia.
> 
> 					- Ted

What ended up happening in the unconference anyway? I mostly didn't
think about it but part of that was not knowing what was being
discussed. I get the nature of the unconference makes it hard to
plan ahead but there didn't seem to be a good way to know what was
being discussed.

Thanks,
Laura

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread

[Theodore Ts'o]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 01:41:05PM +0100, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> > Note that next year the plan is that the Kernel Summit and the
> > Maintainer's Summit will be colocated with the Linux Plumbers
> > Conference in Philadelphia.
> 
> Just by the way, what are the dates for next year's LPC?

November 12-15th 2018.

					- Ted

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread

[Theodore Ts'o]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 08:26:01AM -0700, Laura Abbott wrote:
> 
> What ended up happening in the unconference anyway? I mostly didn't
> think about it but part of that was not knowing what was being
> discussed. I get the nature of the unconference makes it hard to
> plan ahead but there didn't seem to be a good way to know what was
> being discussed.

There was one unconference slot used this year, and it was a
continuation of the Linux security discussion.  People were supposed
to post proposals to the ksummit-discuss list, but this didn't seem to
work very well this year compared to last year in Santa Fe (where
roughly half of the unconference slots were used).

It could have been that between KVM Forum, ELC, and OSS Europe, there
was simply less of a need for more kernel-oriented discussions.

One of the things I've thought about doing for next year is to set up
a wiki page to make it easier for people to sign up slots.

	       	       	       	      	  - Ted

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread

[Arnd Bergmann]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 08:26:01AM -0700, Laura Abbott wrote:
>>
>> What ended up happening in the unconference anyway? I mostly didn't
>> think about it but part of that was not knowing what was being
>> discussed. I get the nature of the unconference makes it hard to
>> plan ahead but there didn't seem to be a good way to know what was
>> being discussed.
>
> There was one unconference slot used this year, and it was a
> continuation of the Linux security discussion.  People were supposed
> to post proposals to the ksummit-discuss list, but this didn't seem to
> work very well this year compared to last year in Santa Fe (where
> roughly half of the unconference slots were used).
>
> It could have been that between KVM Forum, ELC, and OSS Europe, there
> was simply less of a need for more kernel-oriented discussions.

I think a lot of people were simply unaware of the new format and
how to use it. I heard from multiple people that were at the kernel
summit that they only learned on the same day that they would be
allowed to participate. I'm sure others didn't get the message at all
and just didn't show up, either to the entire event or the kernel summit
sessions.

> One of the things I've thought about doing for next year is to set up
> a wiki page to make it easier for people to sign up slots.

Good idea.

      Arnd

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread

[Theodore Ts'o]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 09:09:10PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> 
> I think a lot of people were simply unaware of the new format and
> how to use it. I heard from multiple people that were at the kernel
> summit that they only learned on the same day that they would be
> allowed to participate. I'm sure others didn't get the message at all
> and just didn't show up, either to the entire event or the kernel summit
> sessions.

It was announced several months ago on the ksummit-discuss list when
we sent out the call for Maintainer's Summit and Kernel Summit topics.
There was also a note in the Kernel Summit Agenda sent out the week
beforehand that the it was open to anyone with a Maintainer Summit or
OSS Europe badge[1]) to the LKML list.

I thought about cc'ing that note to LKML, but I decided against it on
the theory it would be spamming LKML, and figured everyone who might
be interested was on ksummit-discuss anyway.  Also, this was a
continuation of the Kernel Summit "Open Day", where the technical
track was open to all attendees of the colocated conference (e.g.,
Plumbers in Santa Fe, Linux Con Korea in Seoul, etc.) in previous
years.

Clearly, I had forgotten the key e-mail marketing dictum that there is
no such thing as over-communicating (at least until you get dropped
into people's SPAM filters :-).

							- Ted

[1] And to be honest I hadn't noticed or had forgotten about the fact
that ELC and KVM Forum was happening the same week, or I would have
mentioned those badges as well.

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread

[Shuah Khan]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 09:09:10PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>
>> I think a lot of people were simply unaware of the new format and
>> how to use it. I heard from multiple people that were at the kernel
>> summit that they only learned on the same day that they would be
>> allowed to participate. I'm sure others didn't get the message at all
>> and just didn't show up, either to the entire event or the kernel summit
>> sessions.
>
> It was announced several months ago on the ksummit-discuss list when
> we sent out the call for Maintainer's Summit and Kernel Summit topics.
> There was also a note in the Kernel Summit Agenda sent out the week
> beforehand that the it was open to anyone with a Maintainer Summit or
> OSS Europe badge[1]) to the LKML list.
>
> I thought about cc'ing that note to LKML, but I decided against it on
> the theory it would be spamming LKML, and figured everyone who might
> be interested was on ksummit-discuss anyway.  Also, this was a
> continuation of the Kernel Summit "Open Day", where the technical
> track was open to all attendees of the colocated conference (e.g.,
> Plumbers in Santa Fe, Linux Con Korea in Seoul, etc.) in previous
> years.
>
> Clearly, I had forgotten the key e-mail marketing dictum that there is
> no such thing as over-communicating (at least until you get dropped
> into people's SPAM filters :-).
>

The smaller group worked well for the regression tracking, and maintainer
discussions.

However one thing that was missing was the lightening talks. These
stemmed from a larger group interaction. If we can find a way to get
them into the current format, that would be awesome. Maybe we can
add a session to  Kernel summit or make that part of unconference track.
Even so, it is important to have the right mix of people.  We just got that
by default with the older format.

I am interested in summary for the session especially the discussion around
working across sub-systems Kees brought up. It would be good to send a
summary for the entire session. Anybody taking notes, I was busy listening
and talking :)

thanks,
-- Shuah

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread

[Mark Brown]

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On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 06:06:52PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:

> It was announced several months ago on the ksummit-discuss list when
> we sent out the call for Maintainer's Summit and Kernel Summit topics.

...

> be interested was on ksummit-discuss anyway.  Also, this was a
> continuation of the Kernel Summit "Open Day", where the technical
> track was open to all attendees of the colocated conference (e.g.,
> Plumbers in Santa Fe, Linux Con Korea in Seoul, etc.) in previous
> years.

I suspect that continuing to call it Kernel Summit and Kernel Summit
Open Day(s) might've avoided some of the confusion - I know it took me a
while to register that Kernel Summit was now the open part of things and
there was a new name for the invite only bit.  Perhaps that'll be
clearer next year though.

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