* [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread @ 2017-10-29 10:12 Theodore Ts'o 2017-10-30 12:41 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) 2017-10-30 15:26 ` Laura Abbott 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Theodore Ts'o @ 2017-10-29 10:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ksummit-discuss Hi, Please reply to this thread if you have any comments about how we can better organize the Kernel Summit for next year (i.e., the open technical discussion track that was open to anyone with a Maintainer's Summit or OSS Europe Badge, and the "unconference track"). Note that next year the plan is that the Kernel Summit and the Maintainer's Summit will be colocated with the Linux Plumbers Conference in Philadelphia. - Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread 2017-10-29 10:12 [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread Theodore Ts'o @ 2017-10-30 12:41 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) 2017-10-30 19:36 ` Theodore Ts'o 2017-10-30 15:26 ` Laura Abbott 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) @ 2017-10-30 12:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Theodore Ts'o; +Cc: ksummit-discuss > Note that next year the plan is that the Kernel Summit and the > Maintainer's Summit will be colocated with the Linux Plumbers > Conference in Philadelphia. Just by the way, what are the dates for next year's LPC? -- Michael Kerrisk Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread 2017-10-30 12:41 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) @ 2017-10-30 19:36 ` Theodore Ts'o 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Theodore Ts'o @ 2017-10-30 19:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages); +Cc: ksummit-discuss On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 01:41:05PM +0100, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote: > > Note that next year the plan is that the Kernel Summit and the > > Maintainer's Summit will be colocated with the Linux Plumbers > > Conference in Philadelphia. > > Just by the way, what are the dates for next year's LPC? November 12-15th 2018. - Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread 2017-10-29 10:12 [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread Theodore Ts'o 2017-10-30 12:41 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) @ 2017-10-30 15:26 ` Laura Abbott 2017-10-30 19:41 ` Theodore Ts'o 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Laura Abbott @ 2017-10-30 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Theodore Ts'o, ksummit-discuss On 10/29/2017 03:12 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > Hi, > > Please reply to this thread if you have any comments about how we can > better organize the Kernel Summit for next year (i.e., the open > technical discussion track that was open to anyone with a Maintainer's > Summit or OSS Europe Badge, and the "unconference track"). > > Note that next year the plan is that the Kernel Summit and the > Maintainer's Summit will be colocated with the Linux Plumbers > Conference in Philadelphia. > > - Ted What ended up happening in the unconference anyway? I mostly didn't think about it but part of that was not knowing what was being discussed. I get the nature of the unconference makes it hard to plan ahead but there didn't seem to be a good way to know what was being discussed. Thanks, Laura ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread 2017-10-30 15:26 ` Laura Abbott @ 2017-10-30 19:41 ` Theodore Ts'o 2017-10-30 20:09 ` Arnd Bergmann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Theodore Ts'o @ 2017-10-30 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Laura Abbott; +Cc: ksummit-discuss On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 08:26:01AM -0700, Laura Abbott wrote: > > What ended up happening in the unconference anyway? I mostly didn't > think about it but part of that was not knowing what was being > discussed. I get the nature of the unconference makes it hard to > plan ahead but there didn't seem to be a good way to know what was > being discussed. There was one unconference slot used this year, and it was a continuation of the Linux security discussion. People were supposed to post proposals to the ksummit-discuss list, but this didn't seem to work very well this year compared to last year in Santa Fe (where roughly half of the unconference slots were used). It could have been that between KVM Forum, ELC, and OSS Europe, there was simply less of a need for more kernel-oriented discussions. One of the things I've thought about doing for next year is to set up a wiki page to make it easier for people to sign up slots. - Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread 2017-10-30 19:41 ` Theodore Ts'o @ 2017-10-30 20:09 ` Arnd Bergmann 2017-10-30 22:06 ` Theodore Ts'o 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Arnd Bergmann @ 2017-10-30 20:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Theodore Ts'o; +Cc: ksummit On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 08:26:01AM -0700, Laura Abbott wrote: >> >> What ended up happening in the unconference anyway? I mostly didn't >> think about it but part of that was not knowing what was being >> discussed. I get the nature of the unconference makes it hard to >> plan ahead but there didn't seem to be a good way to know what was >> being discussed. > > There was one unconference slot used this year, and it was a > continuation of the Linux security discussion. People were supposed > to post proposals to the ksummit-discuss list, but this didn't seem to > work very well this year compared to last year in Santa Fe (where > roughly half of the unconference slots were used). > > It could have been that between KVM Forum, ELC, and OSS Europe, there > was simply less of a need for more kernel-oriented discussions. I think a lot of people were simply unaware of the new format and how to use it. I heard from multiple people that were at the kernel summit that they only learned on the same day that they would be allowed to participate. I'm sure others didn't get the message at all and just didn't show up, either to the entire event or the kernel summit sessions. > One of the things I've thought about doing for next year is to set up > a wiki page to make it easier for people to sign up slots. Good idea. Arnd ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread 2017-10-30 20:09 ` Arnd Bergmann @ 2017-10-30 22:06 ` Theodore Ts'o 2017-10-30 22:19 ` Shuah Khan 2017-10-31 16:29 ` Mark Brown 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Theodore Ts'o @ 2017-10-30 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Arnd Bergmann; +Cc: ksummit On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 09:09:10PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > I think a lot of people were simply unaware of the new format and > how to use it. I heard from multiple people that were at the kernel > summit that they only learned on the same day that they would be > allowed to participate. I'm sure others didn't get the message at all > and just didn't show up, either to the entire event or the kernel summit > sessions. It was announced several months ago on the ksummit-discuss list when we sent out the call for Maintainer's Summit and Kernel Summit topics. There was also a note in the Kernel Summit Agenda sent out the week beforehand that the it was open to anyone with a Maintainer Summit or OSS Europe badge[1]) to the LKML list. I thought about cc'ing that note to LKML, but I decided against it on the theory it would be spamming LKML, and figured everyone who might be interested was on ksummit-discuss anyway. Also, this was a continuation of the Kernel Summit "Open Day", where the technical track was open to all attendees of the colocated conference (e.g., Plumbers in Santa Fe, Linux Con Korea in Seoul, etc.) in previous years. Clearly, I had forgotten the key e-mail marketing dictum that there is no such thing as over-communicating (at least until you get dropped into people's SPAM filters :-). - Ted [1] And to be honest I hadn't noticed or had forgotten about the fact that ELC and KVM Forum was happening the same week, or I would have mentioned those badges as well. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread 2017-10-30 22:06 ` Theodore Ts'o @ 2017-10-30 22:19 ` Shuah Khan 2017-10-31 16:29 ` Mark Brown 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Shuah Khan @ 2017-10-30 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Theodore Ts'o; +Cc: ksummit On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 09:09:10PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote: >> >> I think a lot of people were simply unaware of the new format and >> how to use it. I heard from multiple people that were at the kernel >> summit that they only learned on the same day that they would be >> allowed to participate. I'm sure others didn't get the message at all >> and just didn't show up, either to the entire event or the kernel summit >> sessions. > > It was announced several months ago on the ksummit-discuss list when > we sent out the call for Maintainer's Summit and Kernel Summit topics. > There was also a note in the Kernel Summit Agenda sent out the week > beforehand that the it was open to anyone with a Maintainer Summit or > OSS Europe badge[1]) to the LKML list. > > I thought about cc'ing that note to LKML, but I decided against it on > the theory it would be spamming LKML, and figured everyone who might > be interested was on ksummit-discuss anyway. Also, this was a > continuation of the Kernel Summit "Open Day", where the technical > track was open to all attendees of the colocated conference (e.g., > Plumbers in Santa Fe, Linux Con Korea in Seoul, etc.) in previous > years. > > Clearly, I had forgotten the key e-mail marketing dictum that there is > no such thing as over-communicating (at least until you get dropped > into people's SPAM filters :-). > The smaller group worked well for the regression tracking, and maintainer discussions. However one thing that was missing was the lightening talks. These stemmed from a larger group interaction. If we can find a way to get them into the current format, that would be awesome. Maybe we can add a session to Kernel summit or make that part of unconference track. Even so, it is important to have the right mix of people. We just got that by default with the older format. I am interested in summary for the session especially the discussion around working across sub-systems Kees brought up. It would be good to send a summary for the entire session. Anybody taking notes, I was busy listening and talking :) thanks, -- Shuah ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Kernel Summit 2017 Feedback Thread 2017-10-30 22:06 ` Theodore Ts'o 2017-10-30 22:19 ` Shuah Khan @ 2017-10-31 16:29 ` Mark Brown 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Mark Brown @ 2017-10-31 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Theodore Ts'o; +Cc: ksummit [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 801 bytes --] On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 06:06:52PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > It was announced several months ago on the ksummit-discuss list when > we sent out the call for Maintainer's Summit and Kernel Summit topics. ... > be interested was on ksummit-discuss anyway. Also, this was a > continuation of the Kernel Summit "Open Day", where the technical > track was open to all attendees of the colocated conference (e.g., > Plumbers in Santa Fe, Linux Con Korea in Seoul, etc.) in previous > years. I suspect that continuing to call it Kernel Summit and Kernel Summit Open Day(s) might've avoided some of the confusion - I know it took me a while to register that Kernel Summit was now the open part of things and there was a new name for the invite only bit. Perhaps that'll be clearer next year though. [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 488 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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