* New FCC requirements and Linux Wifi @ 2014-12-01 22:27 Eric Schultz 2014-12-02 0:31 ` John W. Linville 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Eric Schultz @ 2014-12-01 22:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-wireless All, I work for the prpl Foundation, an open source foundation organized by a number of companies, most related to MIPS. One project we work with externally is the OpenWrt project. Recently one of our members mentioned a new FCC requirement (described in FCC publication 594280) which requires wifi hardware devices to restrict modifications in ways that were not previously required. Some of the suggestions the company had internally for complying would be to use features like Secure Boot and other types of DRM-like mechanisms to prevent routers from being modified. This obviously would be quite bad for the OpenWrt community (and the embedded Linux community as a whole) so we agreed as a group to try to provide hardware companies with a way of complying without harming the community. I'm looking to find individuals (and other companies!) interested in working with myself and the foundation, companies, the OpenWrt community and eventually regulators to provide guidance to hardware companies on how to best comply with these rules. If you're interested in getting involved or just would like to know more, please get in touch with me. We want to make sure that routers and related embedded Linux hardware is hackable and we could use all the help we could get. Thanks and I look forward to working with you, Eric -- Eric Schultz, Community Manager, prpl Foundation http://www.prplfoundation.org eschultz@prplfoundation.org cell: 920-539-0404 skype: ericschultzwi @EricPrpl ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: New FCC requirements and Linux Wifi 2014-12-01 22:27 New FCC requirements and Linux Wifi Eric Schultz @ 2014-12-02 0:31 ` John W. Linville 2014-12-02 6:23 ` Oleksij Rempel 2014-12-02 19:35 ` Arend van Spriel 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: John W. Linville @ 2014-12-02 0:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Schultz; +Cc: linux-wireless On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 04:27:25PM -0600, Eric Schultz wrote: > All, > > I work for the prpl Foundation, an open source foundation organized by > a number of companies, most related to MIPS. One project we work with > externally is the OpenWrt project. Recently one of our members > mentioned a new FCC requirement (described in FCC publication 594280) > which requires wifi hardware devices to restrict modifications in ways > that were not previously required. Some of the suggestions the company > had internally for complying would be to use features like Secure Boot > and other types of DRM-like mechanisms to prevent routers from being > modified. This obviously would be quite bad for the OpenWrt community > (and the embedded Linux community as a whole) so we agreed as a group > to try to provide hardware companies with a way of complying without > harming the community. > > I'm looking to find individuals (and other companies!) interested in > working with myself and the foundation, companies, the OpenWrt > community and eventually regulators to provide guidance to hardware > companies on how to best comply with these rules. If you're interested > in getting involved or just would like to know more, please get in > touch with me. We want to make sure that routers and related embedded > Linux hardware is hackable and we could use all the help we could get. > > Thanks and I look forward to working with you, > > Eric Eric, Obviously, I would be interested in hearing more. I suspect there are others on the list that will be interested as well... John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: New FCC requirements and Linux Wifi 2014-12-02 0:31 ` John W. Linville @ 2014-12-02 6:23 ` Oleksij Rempel 2014-12-02 19:35 ` Arend van Spriel 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Oleksij Rempel @ 2014-12-02 6:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John W. Linville, Eric Schultz; +Cc: linux-wireless [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1748 bytes --] Am 02.12.2014 um 01:31 schrieb John W. Linville: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 04:27:25PM -0600, Eric Schultz wrote: >> All, >> >> I work for the prpl Foundation, an open source foundation organized by >> a number of companies, most related to MIPS. One project we work with >> externally is the OpenWrt project. Recently one of our members >> mentioned a new FCC requirement (described in FCC publication 594280) >> which requires wifi hardware devices to restrict modifications in ways >> that were not previously required. Some of the suggestions the company >> had internally for complying would be to use features like Secure Boot >> and other types of DRM-like mechanisms to prevent routers from being >> modified. This obviously would be quite bad for the OpenWrt community >> (and the embedded Linux community as a whole) so we agreed as a group >> to try to provide hardware companies with a way of complying without >> harming the community. >> >> I'm looking to find individuals (and other companies!) interested in >> working with myself and the foundation, companies, the OpenWrt >> community and eventually regulators to provide guidance to hardware >> companies on how to best comply with these rules. If you're interested >> in getting involved or just would like to know more, please get in >> touch with me. We want to make sure that routers and related embedded >> Linux hardware is hackable and we could use all the help we could get. >> >> Thanks and I look forward to working with you, >> >> Eric > > Eric, > > Obviously, I would be interested in hearing more. I suspect there > are others on the list that will be interested as well... I'm interested as well. -- Regards, Oleksij [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 213 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: New FCC requirements and Linux Wifi 2014-12-02 0:31 ` John W. Linville 2014-12-02 6:23 ` Oleksij Rempel @ 2014-12-02 19:35 ` Arend van Spriel 2014-12-02 19:41 ` Eric Schultz 2014-12-03 9:09 ` Arend van Spriel 1 sibling, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Arend van Spriel @ 2014-12-02 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John W. Linville; +Cc: Eric Schultz, linux-wireless On 12/02/14 01:31, John W. Linville wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 04:27:25PM -0600, Eric Schultz wrote: >> All, >> >> I work for the prpl Foundation, an open source foundation organized by >> a number of companies, most related to MIPS. One project we work with >> externally is the OpenWrt project. Recently one of our members >> mentioned a new FCC requirement (described in FCC publication 594280) >> which requires wifi hardware devices to restrict modifications in ways >> that were not previously required. Some of the suggestions the company >> had internally for complying would be to use features like Secure Boot >> and other types of DRM-like mechanisms to prevent routers from being >> modified. This obviously would be quite bad for the OpenWrt community >> (and the embedded Linux community as a whole) so we agreed as a group >> to try to provide hardware companies with a way of complying without >> harming the community. >> >> I'm looking to find individuals (and other companies!) interested in >> working with myself and the foundation, companies, the OpenWrt >> community and eventually regulators to provide guidance to hardware >> companies on how to best comply with these rules. If you're interested >> in getting involved or just would like to know more, please get in >> touch with me. We want to make sure that routers and related embedded >> Linux hardware is hackable and we could use all the help we could get. >> >> Thanks and I look forward to working with you, >> >> Eric > > Eric, > > Obviously, I would be interested in hearing more. I suspect there > are others on the list that will be interested as well... I think so too. Just not sure what "Linux hardware is hackable" really means here. Well, I guess I mean to say: tell me more. I guess with hardware companies you mean OEMs here, right? Regards, Arend ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: New FCC requirements and Linux Wifi 2014-12-02 19:35 ` Arend van Spriel @ 2014-12-02 19:41 ` Eric Schultz 2014-12-03 9:09 ` Arend van Spriel 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Eric Schultz @ 2014-12-02 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Arend van Spriel; +Cc: John W. Linville, linux-wireless Arend, When I mean Linux hardware being hackable, I was referring to the ability of users to modify and replace the operating system as appropriate. As for hardware companies, it would be mostly OEMs. I'll send details off list today probably about the exact issues related to the the rule. Thanks, Eric On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Arend van Spriel <arend@broadcom.com> wrote: > On 12/02/14 01:31, John W. Linville wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 04:27:25PM -0600, Eric Schultz wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> I work for the prpl Foundation, an open source foundation organized by >>> a number of companies, most related to MIPS. One project we work with >>> externally is the OpenWrt project. Recently one of our members >>> mentioned a new FCC requirement (described in FCC publication 594280) >>> which requires wifi hardware devices to restrict modifications in ways >>> that were not previously required. Some of the suggestions the company >>> had internally for complying would be to use features like Secure Boot >>> and other types of DRM-like mechanisms to prevent routers from being >>> modified. This obviously would be quite bad for the OpenWrt community >>> (and the embedded Linux community as a whole) so we agreed as a group >>> to try to provide hardware companies with a way of complying without >>> harming the community. >>> >>> I'm looking to find individuals (and other companies!) interested in >>> working with myself and the foundation, companies, the OpenWrt >>> community and eventually regulators to provide guidance to hardware >>> companies on how to best comply with these rules. If you're interested >>> in getting involved or just would like to know more, please get in >>> touch with me. We want to make sure that routers and related embedded >>> Linux hardware is hackable and we could use all the help we could get. >>> >>> Thanks and I look forward to working with you, >>> >>> Eric >> >> >> Eric, >> >> Obviously, I would be interested in hearing more. I suspect there >> are others on the list that will be interested as well... > > > I think so too. Just not sure what "Linux hardware is hackable" really means > here. Well, I guess I mean to say: tell me more. I guess with hardware > companies you mean OEMs here, right? > > Regards, > Arend -- Eric Schultz, Community Manager, prpl Foundation http://www.prplfoundation.org eschultz@prplfoundation.org cell: 920-539-0404 skype: ericschultzwi @EricPrpl ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: New FCC requirements and Linux Wifi 2014-12-02 19:35 ` Arend van Spriel 2014-12-02 19:41 ` Eric Schultz @ 2014-12-03 9:09 ` Arend van Spriel 2014-12-03 17:00 ` Eric Schultz 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Arend van Spriel @ 2014-12-03 9:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John W. Linville; +Cc: Eric Schultz, linux-wireless, Luis R. Rodriguez On 12/02/14 20:35, Arend van Spriel wrote: > On 12/02/14 01:31, John W. Linville wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 04:27:25PM -0600, Eric Schultz wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> I work for the prpl Foundation, an open source foundation organized by >>> a number of companies, most related to MIPS. One project we work with >>> externally is the OpenWrt project. Recently one of our members >>> mentioned a new FCC requirement (described in FCC publication 594280) >>> which requires wifi hardware devices to restrict modifications in ways >>> that were not previously required. Some of the suggestions the company >>> had internally for complying would be to use features like Secure Boot >>> and other types of DRM-like mechanisms to prevent routers from being >>> modified. This obviously would be quite bad for the OpenWrt community >>> (and the embedded Linux community as a whole) so we agreed as a group >>> to try to provide hardware companies with a way of complying without >>> harming the community. The FCC publication can be found here: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/kdb/forms/FTSSearchResultPage.cfm?switch=P&id=39498 I had issues downloading the guidance document itself. Another fine read from 2010 is here: http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/presentations/files/oct10/FCC_Roundtable_General_Discussion_101910-Staff.pdf At page 13 of this document are draft updates that Eric is probably referring to. Regards, Arend >>> I'm looking to find individuals (and other companies!) interested in >>> working with myself and the foundation, companies, the OpenWrt >>> community and eventually regulators to provide guidance to hardware >>> companies on how to best comply with these rules. If you're interested >>> in getting involved or just would like to know more, please get in >>> touch with me. We want to make sure that routers and related embedded >>> Linux hardware is hackable and we could use all the help we could get. >>> >>> Thanks and I look forward to working with you, >>> >>> Eric >> >> Eric, >> >> Obviously, I would be interested in hearing more. I suspect there >> are others on the list that will be interested as well... > > I think so too. Just not sure what "Linux hardware is hackable" really > means here. Well, I guess I mean to say: tell me more. I guess with > hardware companies you mean OEMs here, right? > > Regards, > Arend > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe > linux-wireless" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: New FCC requirements and Linux Wifi 2014-12-03 9:09 ` Arend van Spriel @ 2014-12-03 17:00 ` Eric Schultz 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Eric Schultz @ 2014-12-03 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Arend van Spriel; +Cc: John W. Linville, linux-wireless, Luis R. Rodriguez Arend, Thanks, that is the publication! I've tried to summarize the topic at http://wiki.prplfoundation.org/wiki/Complying_with_FCC_rules_on_5ghz_wifi. I hope that provides folks with enough background to understand what's going on and the issues with fixing it. If you think you can add additional information to clarify anything, don't hesitate to do so. We do most of our discussions on our list at openwrt@lists.prplfoundation.org so feel free to join the list and share your thoughts on this with other members of the community. I'd like to organize an online meeting this month (or early next) of all the interested parties to discuss suggestions on how to handle this. Thanks, Eric On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Arend van Spriel <arend@broadcom.com> wrote: > On 12/02/14 20:35, Arend van Spriel wrote: >> >> On 12/02/14 01:31, John W. Linville wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 04:27:25PM -0600, Eric Schultz wrote: >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> I work for the prpl Foundation, an open source foundation organized by >>>> a number of companies, most related to MIPS. One project we work with >>>> externally is the OpenWrt project. Recently one of our members >>>> mentioned a new FCC requirement (described in FCC publication 594280) >>>> which requires wifi hardware devices to restrict modifications in ways >>>> that were not previously required. Some of the suggestions the company >>>> had internally for complying would be to use features like Secure Boot >>>> and other types of DRM-like mechanisms to prevent routers from being >>>> modified. This obviously would be quite bad for the OpenWrt community >>>> (and the embedded Linux community as a whole) so we agreed as a group >>>> to try to provide hardware companies with a way of complying without >>>> harming the community. > > > The FCC publication can be found here: > > https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/kdb/forms/FTSSearchResultPage.cfm?switch=P&id=39498 > > I had issues downloading the guidance document itself. > > Another fine read from 2010 is here: > > http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/presentations/files/oct10/FCC_Roundtable_General_Discussion_101910-Staff.pdf > > At page 13 of this document are draft updates that Eric is probably > referring to. > > Regards, > Arend > >>>> I'm looking to find individuals (and other companies!) interested in >>>> working with myself and the foundation, companies, the OpenWrt >>>> community and eventually regulators to provide guidance to hardware >>>> companies on how to best comply with these rules. If you're interested >>>> in getting involved or just would like to know more, please get in >>>> touch with me. We want to make sure that routers and related embedded >>>> Linux hardware is hackable and we could use all the help we could get. >>>> >>>> Thanks and I look forward to working with you, >>>> >>>> Eric >>> >>> >>> Eric, >>> >>> Obviously, I would be interested in hearing more. I suspect there >>> are others on the list that will be interested as well... >> >> >> I think so too. Just not sure what "Linux hardware is hackable" really >> means here. Well, I guess I mean to say: tell me more. I guess with >> hardware companies you mean OEMs here, right? >> >> Regards, >> Arend >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe >> linux-wireless" in >> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > > -- Eric Schultz, Community Manager, prpl Foundation http://www.prplfoundation.org eschultz@prplfoundation.org cell: 920-539-0404 skype: ericschultzwi @EricPrpl ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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