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From: Milosz Tanski <milosz@adfin.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Milosz Tanski <milosz@adfin.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-aio@kvack.org, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Volker Lendecke <Volker.Lendecke@sernet.de>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] Define new syscalls readv2,preadv2,writev2,pwritev2
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:05:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANP1eJFQv51E7yfXw70ONxkjhOVatV6ERwgaY6Srv9-6VcDrjQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140917154327.GA12190@thunk.org>

Theodore,

I might be missing understanding something, but... I already omitted
read2 and write2 which can be implemented in userspace by libc (as you
pointed out). In the case of readv vs. preadv there's an extra
positional argument (file offset) and preadv version doesn't change
the file location. I didn't want to overload the meaning of preadv2 to
take a special negative offset value that uses the current file
position but also changes the file position.

As a counter point to my view point, Christop also brought the same
thing as you did.

- Milosz

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 04:20:37PM -0400, Milosz Tanski wrote:
>> New syscalls with an extra flag argument. For now all flags except for 0 are
>> not supported.
>
> This may fall in the category of bike-shedding, and so I apologize in
> advance, but I wonder if we really need readv2 and writev2 as new
> syscalls.  What if we just added preadv2 and pwritev2, and implemented
> readv2 and writev2 as libc wrappers where which had the vector
> allocated as an automatic stack variable?  Is the extra user memory
> access really going to be that noticeable?
>
> Cheers,
>
>                                        - Ted



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From: Milosz Tanski <milosz@adfin.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Milosz Tanski <milosz@adfin.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-aio@kvack.org, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Volker Lendecke <Volker.Lendecke@sernet.de>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] Define new syscalls readv2,preadv2,writev2,pwritev2
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:05:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANP1eJFQv51E7yfXw70ONxkjhOVatV6ERwgaY6Srv9-6VcDrjQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140917154327.GA12190@thunk.org>

Theodore,

I might be missing understanding something, but... I already omitted
read2 and write2 which can be implemented in userspace by libc (as you
pointed out). In the case of readv vs. preadv there's an extra
positional argument (file offset) and preadv version doesn't change
the file location. I didn't want to overload the meaning of preadv2 to
take a special negative offset value that uses the current file
position but also changes the file position.

As a counter point to my view point, Christop also brought the same
thing as you did.

- Milosz

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 04:20:37PM -0400, Milosz Tanski wrote:
>> New syscalls with an extra flag argument. For now all flags except for 0 are
>> not supported.
>
> This may fall in the category of bike-shedding, and so I apologize in
> advance, but I wonder if we really need readv2 and writev2 as new
> syscalls.  What if we just added preadv2 and pwritev2, and implemented
> readv2 and writev2 as libc wrappers where which had the vector
> allocated as an automatic stack variable?  Is the extra user memory
> access really going to be that noticeable?
>
> Cheers,
>
>                                        - Ted



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  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-17 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-15 20:20 [RFC PATCH 0/7] Non-blockling buffered fs read (page cache only) Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 20:20 ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 20:20 ` [PATCH 1/7] Prepare for adding a new readv/writev with user flags Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 20:20   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 20:28   ` Al Viro
2014-09-15 21:15     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-15 21:15       ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-15 21:44       ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 21:44         ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 20:20 ` [PATCH 2/7] Define new syscalls readv2,preadv2,writev2,pwritev2 Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 20:20   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-16 19:20   ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 19:20     ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 19:54     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-16 19:54       ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-16 21:03     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-16 21:03       ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-17 15:43   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-17 15:43     ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-17 16:05     ` Milosz Tanski [this message]
2014-09-17 16:05       ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 16:59       ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-17 16:59         ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-17 17:24         ` Zach Brown
2014-09-17 17:24           ` Zach Brown
2014-09-15 20:20 ` [PATCH 3/7] Export new vector IO (with flags) to userland Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 20:20   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 20:21 ` [PATCH 4/7] O_NONBLOCK flag for readv2/preadv2 Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 20:21   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-16 19:19   ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 19:19     ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 19:44     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-16 19:44       ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-16 19:53       ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 19:53         ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-15 20:21 ` [PATCH 5/7] documentation updates Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-15 20:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-15 20:21 ` [PATCH 6/7] move flags enforcement to vfs_preadv/vfs_pwritev Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-15 21:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-15 21:15     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-15 21:45     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 21:45       ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 20:22 ` [PATCH 7/7] check for O_NONBLOCK in all read_iter instances Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-15 20:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-16 19:27   ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 19:27     ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 19:45     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-16 19:45       ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-16 21:42       ` Dave Chinner
2014-09-16 21:42         ` Dave Chinner
2014-09-17 12:24         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2014-09-17 12:24           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2014-09-17 13:47           ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-17 13:47             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-17 13:56             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2014-09-17 13:56               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2014-09-17 15:33               ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 15:33                 ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 15:49                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-17 15:49                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-17 15:52               ` Zach Brown
2014-09-17 15:52                 ` Zach Brown
2014-09-16 21:04     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-16 21:04       ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-16 21:24       ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 21:24         ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-15 20:27 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] Non-blockling buffered fs read (page cache only) Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 20:27   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 21:33 ` Andreas Dilger
2014-09-15 22:13   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 22:13     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 22:36   ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2014-09-15 22:36     ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2014-09-16 18:24     ` Zach Brown
2014-09-16 18:24       ` Zach Brown
2014-09-19 11:21     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-19 11:21       ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-22 15:48       ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-22 15:48         ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-22 16:32         ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-22 16:32           ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-22 16:42           ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-22 17:02             ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-22 17:02               ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-22 16:25       ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2014-09-15 21:58 ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-15 21:58   ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-15 22:27   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-15 22:27     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-16 13:44     ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 13:44       ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-19 11:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-19 11:23     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-16 19:30 ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 19:30   ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 20:34   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-16 20:34     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-16 20:49     ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 20:49       ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-17 14:49 ` [RFC 1/2] aio: async readahead Benjamin LaHaise
2014-09-17 14:49   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2014-09-17 15:26   ` [RFC 2/2] ext4: async readpage for indirect style inodes Benjamin LaHaise
2014-09-17 15:26     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2014-09-19 11:26   ` [RFC 1/2] aio: async readahead Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-19 11:26     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-19 16:01     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2014-09-19 16:01       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2014-09-17 22:20 ` [RFC v2 0/5] Non-blockling buffered fs read (page cache only) Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 22:20   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 22:20   ` [RFC v2 1/5] Prepare for adding a new readv/writev with user flags Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 22:20     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 22:20   ` [RFC v2 2/5] Define new syscalls readv2,preadv2,writev2,pwritev2 Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 22:20     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-18 18:48     ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-18 18:48       ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19 10:52       ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-19 10:52         ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-20  0:19         ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-20  0:19           ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-17 22:20   ` [RFC v2 3/5] Export new vector IO (with flags) to userland Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 22:20     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 22:20   ` [RFC v2 4/5] O_NONBLOCK flag for readv2/preadv2 Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 22:20     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-19 11:27     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-19 11:27       ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-19 11:59       ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-19 11:59         ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-22 17:12     ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-22 17:12       ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-17 22:20   ` [RFC v2 5/5] Check for O_NONBLOCK in all read_iter instances Milosz Tanski
2014-09-17 22:20     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-19 11:26     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-19 11:26       ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-19 14:42   ` [RFC v2 0/5] Non-blockling buffered fs read (page cache only) Jonathan Corbet
2014-09-19 14:42     ` Jonathan Corbet
2014-09-19 16:13     ` Volker Lendecke
2014-09-19 16:13       ` Volker Lendecke
2014-09-19 17:19     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-19 17:19       ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-19 17:33     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-19 17:33       ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-22 14:12       ` Jonathan Corbet
2014-09-22 14:12         ` Jonathan Corbet
2014-09-22 14:24         ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-22 14:24           ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-22 14:25         ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-22 14:25           ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-09-22 14:30         ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-22 14:30           ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-24 21:46 ` [RFC v3 0/4] vfs: " Milosz Tanski
2014-09-24 21:46   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-24 21:46   ` [RFC v3 1/4] vfs: Prepare for adding a new preadv/pwritev with user flags Milosz Tanski
2014-09-24 21:46     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-24 21:46   ` [RFC v3 2/4] vfs: Define new syscalls preadv2,pwritev2 Milosz Tanski
2014-09-24 21:46     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-24 21:46   ` [RFC v3 3/4] vfs: Export new vector IO syscalls (with flags) to userland Milosz Tanski
2014-09-24 21:46     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-24 21:46   ` [RFC v3 4/4] vfs: RWF_NONBLOCK flag for preadv2 Milosz Tanski
2014-09-24 21:46     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-25  4:06   ` [RFC v3 0/4] vfs: Non-blockling buffered fs read (page cache only) Michael Kerrisk
2014-09-25  4:06     ` Michael Kerrisk
2014-09-25 11:16     ` Jan Kara
2014-09-25 11:16       ` Jan Kara
2014-09-25 15:48     ` Milosz Tanski
2014-09-25 15:48       ` Milosz Tanski
2014-10-08  2:53   ` Milosz Tanski
2014-10-08  2:53     ` Milosz Tanski

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