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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/13] dax: require 'struct page' for filesystem dax
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:16:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4hYFAFsyF8RVc2kQwf-q2SWVPA4BFaerNbQXQBvhDONmg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171021032008.GA27694@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 03:29:57PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>> Ok, I'd also like to kill DAX support in the brd driver. It's a source
>> of complexity and maintenance burden for zero benefit. It's the only
>> ->direct_access() implementation that sleeps and it's the only
>> implementation where there is a non-linear relationship between
>> sectors and pfns. Having a 1:1 sector to pfn relationship will help
>> with the dma-extent-busy management since we don't need to keep
>> calling into the driver to map pfns back to sectors once we know the
>> pfn[0] sector[0] relationship.
>
> But these are important things that other block devices may / will want.
>
> For example, I think it's entirely sensible to support ->direct_access
> for RAID-0.  Dell are looking at various different options for having
> one pmemX device per DIMM and using RAID to lash them together.
> ->direct_access makes no sense for RAID-5 or RAID-1, but RAID-0 makes
> sense to me.
>
> Last time we tried to take sleeping out, there were grumblings from people
> with network block devices who thought they'd want to bring pages in
> across the network.  I'm a bit less sympathetic to this because I don't
> know anyone actively working on it, but the RAID-0 case is something I
> think we should care about.

True, good point. In fact we already support device-mapper striping
with ->direct_access(). I'd still like to go ahead with the sleeping
removal. When those folks come back and add network direct_access they
can do the hard work of figuring out cases where we need to call
direct_access in atomic contexts.
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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/13] dax: require 'struct page' for filesystem dax
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:16:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4hYFAFsyF8RVc2kQwf-q2SWVPA4BFaerNbQXQBvhDONmg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171021032008.GA27694@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 03:29:57PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>> Ok, I'd also like to kill DAX support in the brd driver. It's a source
>> of complexity and maintenance burden for zero benefit. It's the only
>> ->direct_access() implementation that sleeps and it's the only
>> implementation where there is a non-linear relationship between
>> sectors and pfns. Having a 1:1 sector to pfn relationship will help
>> with the dma-extent-busy management since we don't need to keep
>> calling into the driver to map pfns back to sectors once we know the
>> pfn[0] sector[0] relationship.
>
> But these are important things that other block devices may / will want.
>
> For example, I think it's entirely sensible to support ->direct_access
> for RAID-0.  Dell are looking at various different options for having
> one pmemX device per DIMM and using RAID to lash them together.
> ->direct_access makes no sense for RAID-5 or RAID-1, but RAID-0 makes
> sense to me.
>
> Last time we tried to take sleeping out, there were grumblings from people
> with network block devices who thought they'd want to bring pages in
> across the network.  I'm a bit less sympathetic to this because I don't
> know anyone actively working on it, but the RAID-0 case is something I
> think we should care about.

True, good point. In fact we already support device-mapper striping
with ->direct_access(). I'd still like to go ahead with the sleeping
removal. When those folks come back and add network direct_access they
can do the hard work of figuring out cases where we need to call
direct_access in atomic contexts.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/13] dax: require 'struct page' for filesystem dax
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:16:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4hYFAFsyF8RVc2kQwf-q2SWVPA4BFaerNbQXQBvhDONmg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171021032008.GA27694@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 03:29:57PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>> Ok, I'd also like to kill DAX support in the brd driver. It's a source
>> of complexity and maintenance burden for zero benefit. It's the only
>> ->direct_access() implementation that sleeps and it's the only
>> implementation where there is a non-linear relationship between
>> sectors and pfns. Having a 1:1 sector to pfn relationship will help
>> with the dma-extent-busy management since we don't need to keep
>> calling into the driver to map pfns back to sectors once we know the
>> pfn[0] sector[0] relationship.
>
> But these are important things that other block devices may / will want.
>
> For example, I think it's entirely sensible to support ->direct_access
> for RAID-0.  Dell are looking at various different options for having
> one pmemX device per DIMM and using RAID to lash them together.
> ->direct_access makes no sense for RAID-5 or RAID-1, but RAID-0 makes
> sense to me.
>
> Last time we tried to take sleeping out, there were grumblings from people
> with network block devices who thought they'd want to bring pages in
> across the network.  I'm a bit less sympathetic to this because I don't
> know anyone actively working on it, but the RAID-0 case is something I
> think we should care about.

True, good point. In fact we already support device-mapper striping
with ->direct_access(). I'd still like to go ahead with the sleeping
removal. When those folks come back and add network direct_access they
can do the hard work of figuring out cases where we need to call
direct_access in atomic contexts.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-21  4:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-20  2:38 [PATCH v3 00/13] dax: fix dma vs truncate and remove 'page-less' support Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:38 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:38 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:38 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 01/13] dax: quiet bdev_dax_supported() Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 02/13] dax: require 'struct page' for filesystem dax Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  7:57   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20  7:57     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20 15:23     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 15:23       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 15:23       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 16:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20 16:29         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20 16:29         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20 16:29         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20 22:29         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 22:29           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 22:29           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-21  3:20           ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-10-21  3:20             ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-10-21  3:20             ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-10-21  4:16             ` Dan Williams [this message]
2017-10-21  4:16               ` Dan Williams
2017-10-21  4:16               ` Dan Williams
2017-10-21  8:15               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-21  8:15                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-21  8:15                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-23  5:18         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-10-23  5:18           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-10-23  5:18           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-10-23  8:55           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-23  8:55             ` Dan Williams
2017-10-23 10:44             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-10-23 10:44               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-10-23 10:44               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-10-23 11:20               ` Dan Williams
2017-10-23 11:20                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-23 11:20                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 03/13] dax: stop using VM_MIXEDMAP for dax Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 04/13] dax: stop using VM_HUGEPAGE " Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 05/13] dax: stop requiring a live device for dax_flush() Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 06/13] dax: store pfns in the radix Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 07/13] dax: warn if dma collides with truncate Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 08/13] tools/testing/nvdimm: add 'bio_delay' mechanism Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 09/13] IB/core: disable memory registration of fileystem-dax vmas Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 10/13] mm: disable get_user_pages_fast() for dax Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 11/13] fs: use smp_load_acquire in break_{layout,lease} Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 12:39   ` Jeffrey Layton
2017-10-20 12:39     ` Jeffrey Layton
2017-10-20 12:39     ` Jeffrey Layton
2017-10-20 12:39     ` Jeffrey Layton
2017-10-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v3 12/13] dax: handle truncate of dma-busy pages Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:40   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:40   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 13:05   ` Jeff Layton
2017-10-20 13:05     ` Jeff Layton
2017-10-20 13:05     ` Jeff Layton
2017-10-20 15:42     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 15:42       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 15:42       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 16:32       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20 16:32         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20 16:32         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20 17:27         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 17:27           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 17:27           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 20:36           ` Brian Foster
2017-10-20 20:36             ` Brian Foster
2017-10-20 20:36             ` Brian Foster
2017-10-21  8:11           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-21  8:11             ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v3 13/13] xfs: wire up FL_ALLOCATED support Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:40   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:40   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  7:47 ` [PATCH v3 00/13] dax: fix dma vs truncate and remove 'page-less' support Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20  7:47   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20  7:47   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20  7:47   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20  9:31   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20  9:31     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20  9:31     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-26 10:58     ` Jan Kara
2017-10-26 10:58       ` Jan Kara
2017-10-26 10:58       ` Jan Kara
2017-10-26 10:58       ` Jan Kara
2017-10-26 23:51       ` Williams, Dan J
2017-10-26 23:51         ` Williams, Dan J
2017-10-26 23:51         ` Williams, Dan J
2017-10-26 23:51         ` Williams, Dan J
2017-10-27  6:48         ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-27  6:48           ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-27  6:48           ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-27  6:48           ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-27  6:48           ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-27 11:42           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-27 11:42             ` Dan Williams
2017-10-27 11:42             ` Dan Williams
2017-10-29 21:52             ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-29 21:52               ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-29 21:52               ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-27  6:45       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-27  6:45         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-27  6:45         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-29 23:46       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-29 23:46         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-29 23:46         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-30  2:00         ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-30  2:00           ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-30  2:00           ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-30  2:00           ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-30  8:38           ` Jan Kara
2017-10-30  8:38             ` Jan Kara
2017-10-30  8:38             ` Jan Kara
2017-10-30 11:20             ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-30 11:20               ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-30 11:20               ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-30 11:20               ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-30 17:51               ` Dan Williams
2017-10-30 17:51                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-30 17:51                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-30 17:51                 ` Dan Williams

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