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From: "tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com" <tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com>
To: 'Arnd Bergmann' <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	SoC Team <soc@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	"misono.tomohiro@fujitsu.com" <misono.tomohiro@fujitsu.com>,
	"tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com" <tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH RFC] soc: fujitsu: Add cache driver code
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 08:10:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <OSAPR01MB2146C723F0194BF88D9C04FA8B969@OSAPR01MB2146.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8P3a17oRP=mU09ypPSxY3ms=fCROxk8SXo0S+CQpdtvsoHXA@mail.gmail.com>

> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 11:34 AM tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com
> <tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:38 AM tan.shaopeng
> > > <tan.shaopeng@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > +module_param(tagaddr_ctrl_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(tagaddr_ctrl_reg, "HPC tag address override
> > > control register");
> > > > +module_param(hwpf_ctrl_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(hwpf_ctrl_reg, "hardware prefetch assist
> control
> > > register");
> > > > +module_param(sec_ctrl_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(sec_ctrl_reg, "sector cache control register");
> > > > +module_param(sec_assign_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(sec_assign_reg, "sector cache assign
> register");
> > > > +module_param(sec_set0_l2_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(sec_set0_l2_reg, "sector cache L2 way
> > > register(sector=0,1)");
> > > > +module_param(sec_set1_l2_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(sec_set1_l2_reg, "sector cache L2 way
> > > register(sector=2,3)");
> > >
> > > My feeling is that the actual settings need to be on a higher level, not tied
> > > to the specific register-level implementation of this chip. Normally,  the L2
> > > cache is set up by the firmware according to local policy, and the settings
> > > can either be read by the kernel from registers or passed down through the
> > > device tree. It sounds like you want to control the policy at runtime in the
> > > operating system rather than at boot time, so for each setting you wish to
> > > override, there should be description of what the setting does and what
> > > the purpose of overriding the firmware setting is.
> >
> > OK, I will change module parameter from specific register-level to
> > a higher level. And, I will modify the description of module parameters.
> > To be clear, we don't suppose these parameters (EL1 registers) are
> > often changed at runtime.
> >
> > > Looking at the first one in the list, I see the specification mentions
> > > multiple distinct features that can be enabled or disabled, so these
> > > should probably get controlled individually.
> >
> > It is not necessary to enable/disable every feature individually.
> > There are no plans to use these features individually.
> 
> Ok, in that case you probably want a smaller number of global
> settings can describe all the combinations one may need in
> practice.

Thanks for your advice. 
I will consider the optimal module parameters if we end up make a driver.

> > > I also see that it is possible
> > > to control this for TTBR1 and TTBR0 separately, and we probably
> > > cannot allow user space (through module parameters or any other
> > > interface) to control TTBR1, which is where the kernel resides.
> >
> > This driver does not change the values of TTBR0 and TTBR1,
> > and the values of TCR_EL1.TBI0 and TCR_EL1.TBI1.
> > The cache functions can be used when TBI is already enabled.
> >
> > > The TTBR0 settings in turn would seem to interact with
> > > CONFIG_ARM64_MTE, and should not be controlled independently
> > > but through the same interfaces as that if we find that it does need
> > > to be controlled at all.
> >
> > MTE is not supported on A64FX.
> > So, this function does not conflict with MTE.
> 
> But could you guarantee that no future generation might support
> both features? In either case, it sounds like the kernel would need
> to know when this is enabled in the same way: as far as I understand,
> both of these put extra information into the upper eight bits of a
> pointer, and any code that interacts with user addresses would need
> to know about this.

I think these functions and MTE cannot be enabled 
at the same time on hardware level.

Best regards,
Tan Shaopeng

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From: "tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com" <tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com>
To: 'Arnd Bergmann' <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	SoC Team <soc@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	"misono.tomohiro@fujitsu.com" <misono.tomohiro@fujitsu.com>,
	"tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com" <tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH RFC] soc: fujitsu: Add cache driver code
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 08:10:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <OSAPR01MB2146C723F0194BF88D9C04FA8B969@OSAPR01MB2146.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20210305081025.cMFUykW_vqnLMmYvYxHl2qIa6DTqo6UrrCBjUhWmyuo@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8P3a17oRP=mU09ypPSxY3ms=fCROxk8SXo0S+CQpdtvsoHXA@mail.gmail.com>

> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 11:34 AM tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com
> <tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:38 AM tan.shaopeng
> > > <tan.shaopeng@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > +module_param(tagaddr_ctrl_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(tagaddr_ctrl_reg, "HPC tag address override
> > > control register");
> > > > +module_param(hwpf_ctrl_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(hwpf_ctrl_reg, "hardware prefetch assist
> control
> > > register");
> > > > +module_param(sec_ctrl_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(sec_ctrl_reg, "sector cache control register");
> > > > +module_param(sec_assign_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(sec_assign_reg, "sector cache assign
> register");
> > > > +module_param(sec_set0_l2_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(sec_set0_l2_reg, "sector cache L2 way
> > > register(sector=0,1)");
> > > > +module_param(sec_set1_l2_reg, ulong, 0444);
> > > > +MODULE_PARM_DESC(sec_set1_l2_reg, "sector cache L2 way
> > > register(sector=2,3)");
> > >
> > > My feeling is that the actual settings need to be on a higher level, not tied
> > > to the specific register-level implementation of this chip. Normally,  the L2
> > > cache is set up by the firmware according to local policy, and the settings
> > > can either be read by the kernel from registers or passed down through the
> > > device tree. It sounds like you want to control the policy at runtime in the
> > > operating system rather than at boot time, so for each setting you wish to
> > > override, there should be description of what the setting does and what
> > > the purpose of overriding the firmware setting is.
> >
> > OK, I will change module parameter from specific register-level to
> > a higher level. And, I will modify the description of module parameters.
> > To be clear, we don't suppose these parameters (EL1 registers) are
> > often changed at runtime.
> >
> > > Looking at the first one in the list, I see the specification mentions
> > > multiple distinct features that can be enabled or disabled, so these
> > > should probably get controlled individually.
> >
> > It is not necessary to enable/disable every feature individually.
> > There are no plans to use these features individually.
> 
> Ok, in that case you probably want a smaller number of global
> settings can describe all the combinations one may need in
> practice.

Thanks for your advice. 
I will consider the optimal module parameters if we end up make a driver.

> > > I also see that it is possible
> > > to control this for TTBR1 and TTBR0 separately, and we probably
> > > cannot allow user space (through module parameters or any other
> > > interface) to control TTBR1, which is where the kernel resides.
> >
> > This driver does not change the values of TTBR0 and TTBR1,
> > and the values of TCR_EL1.TBI0 and TCR_EL1.TBI1.
> > The cache functions can be used when TBI is already enabled.
> >
> > > The TTBR0 settings in turn would seem to interact with
> > > CONFIG_ARM64_MTE, and should not be controlled independently
> > > but through the same interfaces as that if we find that it does need
> > > to be controlled at all.
> >
> > MTE is not supported on A64FX.
> > So, this function does not conflict with MTE.
> 
> But could you guarantee that no future generation might support
> both features? In either case, it sounds like the kernel would need
> to know when this is enabled in the same way: as far as I understand,
> both of these put extra information into the upper eight bits of a
> pointer, and any code that interacts with user addresses would need
> to know about this.

I think these functions and MTE cannot be enabled 
at the same time on hardware level.

Best regards,
Tan Shaopeng
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-05  8:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-03  9:38 [PATCH RFC] Upstream A64FX cache driver tan.shaopeng
2021-03-03  9:38 ` tan.shaopeng
2021-03-03  9:38 ` [PATCH RFC] soc: fujitsu: Add cache driver code tan.shaopeng
2021-03-03  9:38   ` tan.shaopeng
2021-03-03 11:24   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-03 11:24     ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-04 10:34     ` tan.shaopeng
2021-03-04 10:34       ` tan.shaopeng
2021-03-04 10:46       ` Will Deacon
2021-03-04 10:46         ` Will Deacon
2021-03-04 10:58         ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-04 10:58           ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-05  7:48           ` tan.shaopeng
2021-03-05  7:48             ` tan.shaopeng
2021-03-31  8:52           ` tan.shaopeng
2021-03-31  8:52             ` tan.shaopeng
2021-04-01 16:15             ` James Morse
2021-04-01 16:15               ` James Morse
2021-04-02  8:44               ` tan.shaopeng
2021-04-02  8:44                 ` tan.shaopeng
2021-03-04 10:54       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-04 10:54         ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-05  8:10         ` tan.shaopeng [this message]
2021-03-05  8:10           ` tan.shaopeng

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