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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: "Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>
Cc: Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Uli Luckas <u.luckas@road.de>,
	Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@crca.org.au>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:30:13 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902031526040.2272-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d6200be20902022018k7fda9120yb7321f5341050ce8@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Arve Hjønnevåg wrote:

> >> Also, what do you mean by a runtime PM interface?
> >
> > I'm making a distinction between system PM and runtime (also known as
> > dynamic) PM.  With system PM the entire system goes into a low-power
> > state -- that's what we mean when we talk about suspend or hibernation.
> > With runtime PM the system as a whole remains running while selected
> > devices are individually put into a low-power state.
> >
> > For example, right now Linux will put a USB host controller into a
> > low-power state if no USB devices are plugged into it.  This runtime PM
> > interface is described in Documentation/usb/power-management.txt.  You
> > might want to use some of those mechanisms for controlling your
> > devices.
> 
> OK, but I don't think this affects our use of wakelocks.

No, but it might very well affect your implementation of early-suspend.

> I'll make a change to make any write to /sys/power/state disable
> wakelocks. I'll probably also add a config option to remove
> /sys/power/state.
> 
> Before I post another patch series I have a few questions:
> - Should I merge the wakelock and early-suspend api patches with their
> implementations? (I initially implemented the api on top of the old
> android_power driver, but we not longer use this)

It depends how big the patches are.  If they're not too large, go ahead 
and merge the API patch with the implementation.  But if they're 
difficult to read because they are rather big, keep them separate.

> - Once wakelocks are disabled by writing to /sys/power/state, is there
> any demand for re-enabling wakelock support?

I don't know.  You might as well re-enable it as soon as the system 
resumes.

> - Are there any objections to using /sys/power/request_state to
> specify the state to enter when all wakelocks unlocked.

Okay with me.

Alan Stern

  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-03 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-14  1:27 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  1:27 ` [PATCH 01/11] PM: Add wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  1:27   ` [PATCH 02/11] PM: Add early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  1:27     ` [PATCH 03/11] PM: Implement wakelock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  1:27       ` [PATCH 04/11] PM: Implement early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  1:27         ` [PATCH 05/11] PM: Enable early suspend through /sys/power/state Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  1:27           ` [PATCH 06/11] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  1:27             ` [PATCH 07/11] PM: wakelock: Abort task freezing if a wake lock is held Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  1:27               ` [PATCH 08/11] PM: earlysuspend: Add console switch when user requested sleep state changes Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  1:27                 ` [PATCH 09/11] PM: earlysuspend: Removing dependence on console Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  1:27                   ` [PATCH 10/11] Input: Hold wake lock while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  1:27                     ` [PATCH 11/11] ledtrig-sleep: Add led trigger for sleep debugging Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-30 12:43             ` [PATCH 06/11] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Uli Luckas
2009-01-31  0:17               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-31  7:24               ` Brian Swetland
2009-01-28 19:34           ` [PATCH 05/11] PM: Enable early suspend through /sys/power/state Pavel Machek
2009-01-31  3:13             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-31 15:49               ` Alan Stern
2009-02-02 11:44                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-02 11:45               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-02 22:36                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  9:48         ` [PATCH 04/11] PM: Implement early suspend api Nigel Cunningham
2009-01-14 23:57           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  9:30       ` [PATCH 03/11] PM: Implement wakelock api Nigel Cunningham
2009-01-14 23:28         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  9:17     ` [PATCH 02/11] PM: Add early suspend api Nigel Cunningham
2009-01-14 23:18       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  9:09   ` [PATCH 01/11] PM: Add wake lock api Nigel Cunningham
2009-01-14 23:07     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-14  9:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Nigel Cunningham
2009-01-15  0:10   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-15  4:42   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-15 15:08     ` Alan Stern
2009-01-15 20:34       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-29 13:04       ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-30  1:16         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-30  3:27           ` Alan Stern
2009-01-30  4:40             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-30  6:04               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-02 11:49                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-30  9:11               ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-30 12:34                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-02 11:46                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-30 15:13               ` Alan Stern
2009-01-31  0:02                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-31 16:19                   ` Alan Stern
2009-01-31 23:28                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-02 10:42                     ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-02 15:05                       ` Alan Stern
2009-02-02 16:15                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-02 16:35                           ` Alan Stern
2009-02-03 20:15                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-31  7:47                 ` Brian Swetland
2009-01-31 15:41                   ` Alan Stern
2009-01-31 18:39                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-31 18:54                       ` Igor Stoppa
2009-02-01  1:04                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-02 11:55                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-31 22:41                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-31 23:20                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-31 23:32                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-01  0:18                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-01  1:17                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-01  1:32                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-01  2:14                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-01 12:30                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-01 14:03                                     ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-01 17:43                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-02-01 19:27                                       ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-02 11:00                                       ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-02 15:09                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-02-02 16:24                                           ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-02 21:47                                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-02-02 23:21                                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-02 23:51                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-02-03  0:08                                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-04 13:25                                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-02 23:10                                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-03  3:27                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-02-03  4:18                                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-03 20:30                                                 ` Alan Stern [this message]
2009-02-04 13:29                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-02 11:56                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-02 12:38                           ` Uli Luckas
2009-01-30  9:08           ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-30  9:25             ` Brian Swetland
2009-01-28 19:31 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  2:50 Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06 23:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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