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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Basant Kumar Dwivedi <Basant.KumarDwivedi@arm.com>,
	Luis Machado <luis.machado@arm.com>,
	Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	Alan Hayward <alan.hayward@arm.com>,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	Salil Akerkar <Salil.Akerkar@arm.com>,
	Luca Salabrino <luca.scalabrino@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 16/39] arm64/sme: Implement traps and syscall handling for SME
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 14:16:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y5CgRPbjOChpHQEJ@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e57552ea-37fb-07da-8560-e26bae8205cd@huawei.com>

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On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 10:00:17PM +0800, Zenghui Yu wrote:
> On 2022/4/19 19:22, Mark Brown wrote:

> > +	/*
> > +	 * If SME is active then exit streaming mode.  If ZA is active
> > +	 * then flush the SVE registers but leave userspace access to
> > +	 * both SVE and SME enabled, otherwise disable SME for the
> > +	 * task and fall through to disabling SVE too.  This means

> It looks a bit confusing to me that in the current implementation, if
> ZA is *not* active, we don't actually go to disable SME for the task
> (which IMHO can be disabled as user-space is not actively using it now).

Unlike SVE there's no overhead from leaving SME enabled, the enable bits
for SM and ZA tell us if there is extra register state to be saved so we
don't have to worry about the costs there like we do with SVE.  The only
reason for not just unconditionally enabling SME is the potentially
large backing storage required for the registers, if a task isn't using
SME there's no need to impose that overhead.  If we disable SME for
userspace after the storage has been allocated then we just require an
additional trip through EL1 to reenable it for any future usage which
would hurt performance but not really gain us anything otherwise.  We
don't want to discurage applications from disabling ZA when not in use
given that there's likely to be physical overheads from keeping it
enabled.

> > +		if (svcr & SYS_SVCR_EL0_SM_MASK)
> > +			sme_smstop_sm();

> As per the SME syscall ABI

> | On syscall PSTATE.SM will be cleared and the SVE registers will be
> | handled as per the standard SVE ABI.

> and the SVE syscall ABI

> | On syscall, V0..V31 are preserved (as without SVE).  Thus, bits
> | [127:0] of Z0..Z31 are preserved.  All other bits of Z0..Z31, and all
> | of P0..P15 and FFR become zero on return from a syscall.

> Can we infer from the documentation that V0-V31 should be preserved on
> return from a syscall? But with sme_smstop_sm(), all implemented bits of
> Z0-Z31 are set to zero by hardware. Is this intentional?

> Please fix me up if I've mis-read things here.

No, the intention is to say that we exit streaming mode and then handle
things as per the non-streaming ABI.  Exiting streaming mode has the
effect of clearing the values as you say.

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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>
Cc: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Basant Kumar Dwivedi <Basant.KumarDwivedi@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Luis Machado <luis.machado@arm.com>,
	Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Alan Hayward <alan.hayward@arm.com>,
	Salil Akerkar <Salil.Akerkar@arm.com>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Luca Salabrino <luca.scalabrino@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 16/39] arm64/sme: Implement traps and syscall handling for SME
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 14:16:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y5CgRPbjOChpHQEJ@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e57552ea-37fb-07da-8560-e26bae8205cd@huawei.com>


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On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 10:00:17PM +0800, Zenghui Yu wrote:
> On 2022/4/19 19:22, Mark Brown wrote:

> > +	/*
> > +	 * If SME is active then exit streaming mode.  If ZA is active
> > +	 * then flush the SVE registers but leave userspace access to
> > +	 * both SVE and SME enabled, otherwise disable SME for the
> > +	 * task and fall through to disabling SVE too.  This means

> It looks a bit confusing to me that in the current implementation, if
> ZA is *not* active, we don't actually go to disable SME for the task
> (which IMHO can be disabled as user-space is not actively using it now).

Unlike SVE there's no overhead from leaving SME enabled, the enable bits
for SM and ZA tell us if there is extra register state to be saved so we
don't have to worry about the costs there like we do with SVE.  The only
reason for not just unconditionally enabling SME is the potentially
large backing storage required for the registers, if a task isn't using
SME there's no need to impose that overhead.  If we disable SME for
userspace after the storage has been allocated then we just require an
additional trip through EL1 to reenable it for any future usage which
would hurt performance but not really gain us anything otherwise.  We
don't want to discurage applications from disabling ZA when not in use
given that there's likely to be physical overheads from keeping it
enabled.

> > +		if (svcr & SYS_SVCR_EL0_SM_MASK)
> > +			sme_smstop_sm();

> As per the SME syscall ABI

> | On syscall PSTATE.SM will be cleared and the SVE registers will be
> | handled as per the standard SVE ABI.

> and the SVE syscall ABI

> | On syscall, V0..V31 are preserved (as without SVE).  Thus, bits
> | [127:0] of Z0..Z31 are preserved.  All other bits of Z0..Z31, and all
> | of P0..P15 and FFR become zero on return from a syscall.

> Can we infer from the documentation that V0-V31 should be preserved on
> return from a syscall? But with sme_smstop_sm(), all implemented bits of
> Z0-Z31 are set to zero by hardware. Is this intentional?

> Please fix me up if I've mis-read things here.

No, the intention is to say that we exit streaming mode and then handle
things as per the non-streaming ABI.  Exiting streaming mode has the
effect of clearing the values as you say.

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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Basant Kumar Dwivedi <Basant.KumarDwivedi@arm.com>,
	Luis Machado <luis.machado@arm.com>,
	Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	Alan Hayward <alan.hayward@arm.com>,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	Salil Akerkar <Salil.Akerkar@arm.com>,
	Luca Salabrino <luca.scalabrino@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 16/39] arm64/sme: Implement traps and syscall handling for SME
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 14:16:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y5CgRPbjOChpHQEJ@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e57552ea-37fb-07da-8560-e26bae8205cd@huawei.com>


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On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 10:00:17PM +0800, Zenghui Yu wrote:
> On 2022/4/19 19:22, Mark Brown wrote:

> > +	/*
> > +	 * If SME is active then exit streaming mode.  If ZA is active
> > +	 * then flush the SVE registers but leave userspace access to
> > +	 * both SVE and SME enabled, otherwise disable SME for the
> > +	 * task and fall through to disabling SVE too.  This means

> It looks a bit confusing to me that in the current implementation, if
> ZA is *not* active, we don't actually go to disable SME for the task
> (which IMHO can be disabled as user-space is not actively using it now).

Unlike SVE there's no overhead from leaving SME enabled, the enable bits
for SM and ZA tell us if there is extra register state to be saved so we
don't have to worry about the costs there like we do with SVE.  The only
reason for not just unconditionally enabling SME is the potentially
large backing storage required for the registers, if a task isn't using
SME there's no need to impose that overhead.  If we disable SME for
userspace after the storage has been allocated then we just require an
additional trip through EL1 to reenable it for any future usage which
would hurt performance but not really gain us anything otherwise.  We
don't want to discurage applications from disabling ZA when not in use
given that there's likely to be physical overheads from keeping it
enabled.

> > +		if (svcr & SYS_SVCR_EL0_SM_MASK)
> > +			sme_smstop_sm();

> As per the SME syscall ABI

> | On syscall PSTATE.SM will be cleared and the SVE registers will be
> | handled as per the standard SVE ABI.

> and the SVE syscall ABI

> | On syscall, V0..V31 are preserved (as without SVE).  Thus, bits
> | [127:0] of Z0..Z31 are preserved.  All other bits of Z0..Z31, and all
> | of P0..P15 and FFR become zero on return from a syscall.

> Can we infer from the documentation that V0-V31 should be preserved on
> return from a syscall? But with sme_smstop_sm(), all implemented bits of
> Z0-Z31 are set to zero by hardware. Is this intentional?

> Please fix me up if I've mis-read things here.

No, the intention is to say that we exit streaming mode and then handle
things as per the non-streaming ABI.  Exiting streaming mode has the
effect of clearing the values as you say.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-07 14:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-19 11:22 [PATCH v14 00/39] arm64/sme: Initial support for the Scalable Matrix Extension Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 01/39] kselftest/arm64: Fix comment for ptrace_sve_get_fpsimd_data() Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 02/39] kselftest/arm64: Remove assumption that tasks start FPSIMD only Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 03/39] kselftest/arm64: Validate setting via FPSIMD and read via SVE regsets Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 04/39] arm64/sme: Provide ABI documentation for SME Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-28  9:19   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-28  9:19     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-28  9:19     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-05-03  8:13     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-05-03  8:13       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-05-03  8:13       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 05/39] arm64/sme: System register and exception syndrome definitions Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 06/39] arm64/sme: Manually encode SME instructions Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 07/39] arm64/sme: Early CPU setup for SME Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 08/39] arm64/sme: Basic enumeration support Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 09/39] arm64/sme: Identify supported SME vector lengths at boot Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 10/39] arm64/sme: Implement sysctl to set the default vector length Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 11/39] arm64/sme: Implement vector length configuration prctl()s Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 12/39] arm64/sme: Implement support for TPIDR2 Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 13/39] arm64/sme: Implement SVCR context switching Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 14/39] arm64/sme: Implement streaming SVE " Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 15/39] arm64/sme: Implement ZA " Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 16/39] arm64/sme: Implement traps and syscall handling for SME Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-22 16:28   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-22 16:28     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-22 16:28     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-12-07 14:00   ` Zenghui Yu
2022-12-07 14:00     ` Zenghui Yu
2022-12-07 14:00     ` Zenghui Yu
2022-12-07 14:16     ` Mark Brown [this message]
2022-12-07 14:16       ` Mark Brown
2022-12-07 14:16       ` Mark Brown
2022-12-08  2:15       ` Zenghui Yu
2022-12-08  2:15         ` Zenghui Yu
2022-12-08  2:15         ` Zenghui Yu
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 17/39] arm64/sme: Disable ZA and streaming mode when handling signals Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 18/39] arm64/sme: Implement streaming SVE signal handling Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 19/39] arm64/sme: Implement ZA " Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 20/39] arm64/sme: Implement ptrace support for streaming mode SVE registers Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 21/39] arm64/sme: Add ptrace support for ZA Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 22/39] arm64/sme: Disable streaming mode and ZA when flushing CPU state Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 23/39] arm64/sme: Save and restore streaming mode over EFI runtime calls Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 24/39] KVM: arm64: Hide SME system registers from guests Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 25/39] KVM: arm64: Trap SME usage in guest Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 26/39] KVM: arm64: Handle SME host state when running guests Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 27/39] arm64/sme: Provide Kconfig for SME Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220426221433eucas1p253f6350eacf87d8cac2c05adc903656e@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2022-04-26 22:14     ` Marek Szyprowski
2022-04-26 22:14       ` Marek Szyprowski
2022-04-26 22:14       ` Marek Szyprowski
2022-04-27 12:55       ` Mark Brown
2022-04-27 12:55         ` Mark Brown
2022-04-27 12:55         ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 28/39] kselftest/arm64: Add manual encodings for SME instructions Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 29/39] kselftest/arm64: sme: Add SME support to vlset Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 30/39] kselftest/arm64: Add tests for TPIDR2 Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 31/39] kselftest/arm64: Extend vector configuration API tests to cover SME Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 32/39] kselftest/arm64: sme: Provide streaming mode SVE stress test Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 33/39] kselftest/arm64: signal: Handle ZA signal context in core code Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 34/39] kselftest/arm64: Add stress test for SME ZA context switching Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 35/39] kselftest/arm64: signal: Add SME signal handling tests Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 36/39] kselftest/arm64: Add streaming SVE to SVE ptrace tests Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 37/39] kselftest/arm64: Add coverage for the ZA ptrace interface Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 38/39] kselftest/arm64: Add SME support to syscall ABI test Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22 ` [PATCH v14 39/39] selftests/arm64: Add a testcase for handling of ZA on clone() Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-19 11:22   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-22 17:10 ` [PATCH v14 00/39] arm64/sme: Initial support for the Scalable Matrix Extension Marc Zyngier
2022-04-22 17:10   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-04-22 17:10   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-04-22 18:35   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-22 18:35     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-22 18:35     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-22 18:26 ` (subset) " Catalin Marinas
2022-04-22 18:26   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-22 18:26   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-27 17:08 ` Qian Cai
2022-04-27 17:08   ` Qian Cai
2022-04-27 17:08   ` Qian Cai
2022-04-27 17:14   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-27 17:14     ` Mark Brown
2022-04-27 17:14     ` Mark Brown
2022-04-27 21:08     ` Qian Cai
2022-04-27 21:08       ` Qian Cai
2022-04-27 21:08       ` Qian Cai
2022-04-27 22:13       ` Mark Brown
2022-04-27 22:13         ` Mark Brown
2022-04-27 22:13         ` Mark Brown
2022-05-03 22:23 ` Qian Cai
2022-05-03 22:23   ` Qian Cai
2022-05-03 22:23   ` Qian Cai
2022-05-03 23:52   ` Mark Brown
2022-05-03 23:52     ` Mark Brown
2022-05-03 23:52     ` Mark Brown
2022-05-04  5:25     ` Naresh Kamboju
2022-05-04  5:25       ` Naresh Kamboju
2022-05-04  5:25       ` Naresh Kamboju
2022-05-04  7:49     ` Naresh Kamboju
2022-05-04  7:49       ` Naresh Kamboju
2022-05-04  7:49       ` Naresh Kamboju

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