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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: "Kubalewski, Arkadiusz" <arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com>,
	Vadim Fedorenko <vfedorenko@novek.ru>,
	Jonathan Lemon <jonathan.lemon@gmail.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Vadim Fedorenko <vadfed@fb.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-clk@vger.kernel.org,
	"Olech, Milena" <milena.olech@intel.com>,
	"Michalik, Michal" <michal.michalik@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 2/4] dpll: Add DPLL framework base functions
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 17:33:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y5IR2MzXfqgFXGHW@nanopsycho> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221208081955.335ca36c@kernel.org>

Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 05:19:55PM CET, kuba@kernel.org wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 09:14:32 +0100 Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> >Running DPLL control in a namespace / container.
>> >
>> >I mean - I generally think netns is overused, but yes, it's what
>> >containers use, so I think someone may want to develop their
>> >timer controller SW in as a container?  
>> 
>> The netdevices to control are already in the container. Isn't that
>> enough?
>
>For DPLL config we need to delegate the permission.
>So we'd need a "is net admin in namespace X" check, no?

See below.


>
>> >> Thinking about it a bit more, DPLL itself has no network notion. The
>> >> special case is SyncE pin, which is linked to netdevice. Just a small
>> >> part of dpll device. And the netdevice already has notion of netns.
>> >> Isn't that enough?  
>> >
>> >So we can't use devlink or netdev. Hm. So what do we do?
>> >Make DPLLs only visible in init_net? And require init_net admin?
>> >And when someone comes asking we add an explicit "move to netns"
>> >command to DPLL?  
>> 
>> Well, as I wrote. The only part needed to be network namespaced are the
>> netdev related pins. And netdevices have netns support. So my question
>> again, why is that not enough?
>
>For config which goes thru rtnl, yes, but we also need a caps check for:
>
>+	DPLL_CMD_DEVICE_SET,
>+	DPLL_CMD_PIN_SET,

For any synce pin manipulation over dpll netlink, we can use the netns
check of the linked netdev. This is the netns aware leg of the dpll,
it should be checked for.

I can't imagine practically havind the whole dpll instance netns aware.
Omitting the fact that it really has no meaning for non-synce pins, what
would be the behaviour when for example pin 1 is in netns a, pin 2 in
netns b and dpll itself in netns c?

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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: "Kubalewski, Arkadiusz" <arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com>,
	Vadim Fedorenko <vfedorenko@novek.ru>,
	Jonathan Lemon <jonathan.lemon@gmail.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Vadim Fedorenko <vadfed@fb.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-clk@vger.kernel.org,
	"Olech, Milena" <milena.olech@intel.com>,
	"Michalik, Michal" <michal.michalik@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 2/4] dpll: Add DPLL framework base functions
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 17:33:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y5IR2MzXfqgFXGHW@nanopsycho> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221208081955.335ca36c@kernel.org>

Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 05:19:55PM CET, kuba@kernel.org wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 09:14:32 +0100 Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> >Running DPLL control in a namespace / container.
>> >
>> >I mean - I generally think netns is overused, but yes, it's what
>> >containers use, so I think someone may want to develop their
>> >timer controller SW in as a container?  
>> 
>> The netdevices to control are already in the container. Isn't that
>> enough?
>
>For DPLL config we need to delegate the permission.
>So we'd need a "is net admin in namespace X" check, no?

See below.


>
>> >> Thinking about it a bit more, DPLL itself has no network notion. The
>> >> special case is SyncE pin, which is linked to netdevice. Just a small
>> >> part of dpll device. And the netdevice already has notion of netns.
>> >> Isn't that enough?  
>> >
>> >So we can't use devlink or netdev. Hm. So what do we do?
>> >Make DPLLs only visible in init_net? And require init_net admin?
>> >And when someone comes asking we add an explicit "move to netns"
>> >command to DPLL?  
>> 
>> Well, as I wrote. The only part needed to be network namespaced are the
>> netdev related pins. And netdevices have netns support. So my question
>> again, why is that not enough?
>
>For config which goes thru rtnl, yes, but we also need a caps check for:
>
>+	DPLL_CMD_DEVICE_SET,
>+	DPLL_CMD_PIN_SET,

For any synce pin manipulation over dpll netlink, we can use the netns
check of the linked netdev. This is the netns aware leg of the dpll,
it should be checked for.

I can't imagine practically havind the whole dpll instance netns aware.
Omitting the fact that it really has no meaning for non-synce pins, what
would be the behaviour when for example pin 1 is in netns a, pin 2 in
netns b and dpll itself in netns c?

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-08 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 172+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-29 21:37 [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] Create common DPLL/clock configuration API Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37 ` Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/4] dpll: add dpll_attr/dpll_pin_attr helper classes Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37   ` Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/4] dpll: Add DPLL framework base functions Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37   ` Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-30 15:21   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 15:21     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 16:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 16:23       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-23 16:45     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-23 16:45       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-02 12:28       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-02 12:28         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 16:37   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 16:37     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 11:27     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 11:27       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 12:39       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 12:39         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 14:54         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 14:54           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 16:15           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 16:15             ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]             ` <20221202212206.3619bd5f@kernel.org>
2022-12-05 10:32               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-05 10:32                 ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-06  0:19                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-06  0:19                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-06  8:50                   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-06  8:50                     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-06 17:27                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-06 17:27                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 13:10                       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07 13:10                         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07 16:59                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 16:59                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08  8:14                           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08  8:14                             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 16:19                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 16:19                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 16:33                               ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
2022-12-08 16:33                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 17:05                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 17:05                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09  9:29                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  9:29                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09 16:19                                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09 16:19                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-12 13:36                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-12 13:36                                         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-13 18:08                                         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-13 18:08                                           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-14  7:32                                           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-14  7:32                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/4] dpll: documentation on DPLL subsystem interface Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37   ` Vadim Fedorenko
2022-12-02 12:43   ` kernel test robot
2022-12-19  9:13   ` Paolo Abeni
2022-12-19  9:13     ` Paolo Abeni
2023-01-12 13:45     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 13:45       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/4] ptp_ocp: implement DPLL ops Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37   ` Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-30  8:30   ` kernel test robot
2022-11-30 12:41   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 12:41     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 11:27     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 11:27       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 12:48       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 12:48         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 14:39         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 14:39           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 16:20           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 16:20             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08  0:35             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08  0:35               ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08  8:19               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08  8:19                 ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07  2:33           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07  2:33             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 13:19             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07 13:19               ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]               ` <20221207090524.3f562eeb@kernel.org>
2022-12-08 11:22                 ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  0:36                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09  9:32                     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 12:32 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] Create common DPLL/clock configuration API Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 12:32   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 11:27   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 11:27     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 16:12     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 16:12       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07  2:47       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07  2:47         ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 14:09         ` netdev.dump
2022-12-07 14:09           ` netdev.dump
2022-12-07 23:21           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 23:21             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 11:28             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 11:28               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  0:39               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09  0:39                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09  0:56                 ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-09  0:56                   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08 18:08             ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-08 18:08               ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-09 11:07               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09 11:07                 ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09 14:09                 ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-09 14:09                   ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-09 16:31                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09 16:31                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09 17:11                     ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-09 17:11                       ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-12 13:58                     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-12 13:58                       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-09 14:43                       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-09 14:43                         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-09 16:30                         ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-09 16:30                           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-10 10:54                           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-10 10:54                             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-10 14:28                             ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-10 14:28                               ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]                             ` <645a5bfd-0092-2f39-0ff2-3ffb27ccf8fe@machnikowski.net>
2023-01-11 14:17                               ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 14:17                                 ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 14:40                                 ` Maciek Machnikowski
2023-01-11 14:40                                   ` Maciek Machnikowski
2023-01-11 15:30                                   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 15:30                                     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 15:54                                     ` Maciek Machnikowski
2023-01-11 15:54                                       ` Maciek Machnikowski
2023-01-11 16:27                                       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 16:27                                         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-10 20:05                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-10 20:05                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-11  8:19                           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11  8:19                             ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 14:16                             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 14:16                               ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 15:04                               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 15:04                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 15:30                                 ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 15:30                                   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 16:14                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 16:14                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 12:15                                     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 12:15                                       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 14:43                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 14:43                                         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  0:46             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-09  0:46               ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-07 14:51         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07 14:51           ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]           ` <20221207091946.3115742f@kernel.org>
2022-12-08 12:02             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 12:02               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  0:54               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 18:23             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08 18:23               ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08  0:27       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08  0:27         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08 11:58         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 11:58           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 23:05           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08 23:05             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-09 10:01             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09 10:01               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 12:23 ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 12:23   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 14:50   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 14:50     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 19:09   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-12 19:09     ` Jakub Kicinski

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