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* [RFC] Remove AGP support from Radeon/Nouveau/TTM
@ 2020-05-11 17:17 ` Christian König
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 119+ messages in thread
From: Christian König @ 2020-05-11 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW,
	amd-gfx-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW,
	nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW

Hi guys,

Well let's face it AGP is a total headache to maintain and dead for at least 10+ years.

We have a lot of x86 specific stuff in the architecture independent graphics memory management to get the caching right, abusing the DMA API on multiple occasions, need to distinct between AGP and driver specific page tables etc etc...

So the idea here is to just go ahead and remove the support from Radeon and Nouveau and then drop the necessary code from TTM.

For Radeon this means that we just switch over to the driver specific page tables and everything should more or less continue to work.

For Nouveau I'm not 100% sure, but from the code it of hand looks like we can do it similar to Radeon.

Please comment what you think about this.

Regards,
Christian.

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* Re: [RFC] Remove AGP support from Radeon/Nouveau/TTM
@ 2020-05-11 19:55 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
  2020-05-11 20:05 ` Alex Deucher
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  0 siblings, 3 replies; 119+ messages in thread
From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz @ 2020-05-11 19:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian König; +Cc: debian-powerpc, Maling list - DRI developers

Hi Christian!

> Well let's face it AGP is a total headache to maintain and dead for at least 10+ years.
>
> We have a lot of x86 specific stuff in the architecture independent graphics memory management
> to get the caching right, abusing the DMA API on multiple occasions, need to distinct between
> AGP and driver specific page tables etc etc...

AGP isn't exclusively used on x86 but there are also a lot of PowerPC desktop machines (Apple
PowerMac, Pegasos etc) that employ AGP graphics.

> So the idea here is to just go ahead and remove the support from Radeon and Nouveau and
> then drop the necessary code from TTM.
> For Radeon this means that we just switch over to the driver specific page tables and
> everything should more or less continue to work.
>
> For Nouveau I'm not 100% sure, but from the code it of hand looks like we can do it similar to Radeon.
>
> Please comment what you think about this.

I would be against such a move as AGP graphics is still used by people running the powerpc
and ppc64 Debian ports on their vintage hardware [1].

I have also CC'ed the debian-powerpc mailing list so that other users can voice their
opinion.

Thanks,
Adrian

> [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/2020-04-19/

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2020-05-11 17:17 [RFC] Remove AGP support from Radeon/Nouveau/TTM Christian König
2020-05-11 17:17 ` Christian König
2020-05-11 17:17 ` Christian König
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2020-05-11 17:17   ` [PATCH 1/3] drm/radeon: remove AGP support Christian König
2020-05-11 17:17     ` Christian König
2020-05-11 17:17     ` Christian König
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2020-05-11 20:12       ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-11 20:12         ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-11 20:12         ` Alex Deucher
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2020-05-12  8:16           ` Michel Dänzer
2020-05-12  8:16             ` Michel Dänzer
2020-05-12  8:16             ` Michel Dänzer
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2020-05-12 13:36               ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 13:36                 ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 13:36                 ` Alex Deucher
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2020-05-12 20:52                   ` Roy Spliet
2020-05-12 20:52                     ` [Nouveau] " Roy Spliet
2020-05-12 20:52                     ` Roy Spliet
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2020-05-12 21:12                       ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 21:12                         ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 21:12                         ` Alex Deucher
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2020-05-13  7:46                           ` Christian König
2020-05-13  7:46                             ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2020-05-13  7:46                             ` Christian König
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2020-05-13  7:52                               ` Michel Dänzer
2020-05-13  7:52                                 ` [Nouveau] " Michel Dänzer
2020-05-13  7:52                                 ` Michel Dänzer
2020-05-12 18:20       ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-12 18:20         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-12 18:20         ` Thomas Zimmermann
     [not found]         ` <d0314d28-7ef3-e158-ee05-4802e16c0ecc-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2020-05-12 18:29           ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 18:29             ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 18:29             ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-11 17:17   ` [PATCH 2/3] drm/nouveau: " Christian König
2020-05-11 17:17     ` Christian König
2020-05-11 17:17     ` Christian König
2020-05-11 17:17   ` [PATCH 3/3] drm/ttm: " Christian König
2020-05-11 17:17     ` Christian König
2020-05-11 17:17     ` Christian König
2020-05-11 20:14   ` [RFC] Remove AGP support from Radeon/Nouveau/TTM Al Dunsmuir
2020-05-11 20:14     ` Al Dunsmuir
2020-05-11 20:14     ` Al Dunsmuir
     [not found]     ` <1815605280.20200511161440-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
2020-05-11 20:27       ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-11 20:27         ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-11 20:27         ` Alex Deucher
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2020-05-11 20:43           ` Dave Airlie
2020-05-11 20:43             ` Dave Airlie
2020-05-11 20:43             ` Dave Airlie
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2020-05-11 20:56               ` Al Dunsmuir
2020-05-11 20:56                 ` Al Dunsmuir
2020-05-11 20:56                 ` Al Dunsmuir
     [not found]                 ` <1266714942.20200511165648-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
2020-05-12  8:11                   ` Christian König
2020-05-12  8:11                     ` Christian König
2020-05-12  8:11                     ` Christian König
2020-05-11 20:59               ` Emil Velikov
2020-05-11 20:59                 ` Emil Velikov
2020-05-11 20:59                 ` Emil Velikov
2020-05-11 20:46           ` Al Dunsmuir
2020-05-11 20:46             ` Al Dunsmuir
2020-05-11 20:46             ` Al Dunsmuir
2020-05-12 18:29   ` [Nouveau] " Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-12 18:29     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-12 18:29     ` Thomas Zimmermann
     [not found]     ` <1f7b3774-8724-7653-3481-9429ae991acc-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2020-05-12 18:32       ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 18:32         ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 18:32         ` Alex Deucher
     [not found]         ` <CADnq5_OnoH3YhhEjD7eOrBPPqxQZ+S1cKWRBaUMVnA0V=E0i+Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-05-12 19:10           ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-12 19:10             ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-12 19:10             ` Thomas Zimmermann
     [not found]             ` <1706b8de-bf4a-e9e1-2163-e782d1c2cc19-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2020-05-12 19:47               ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 19:47                 ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 19:47                 ` Alex Deucher
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2020-05-13  9:27                   ` Emil Velikov
2020-05-13  9:27                     ` [Nouveau] " Emil Velikov
2020-05-13  9:27                     ` Emil Velikov
     [not found]                     ` <CACvgo53k72T+-WUHr2XEwcgMFh-JonQME-He5Pc6hfOk3pr+7A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-05-13 11:03                       ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-13 11:03                         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-13 11:03                         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-13 11:00   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-13 11:00     ` [Nouveau] " Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-13 11:00     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-05-11 19:55 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2020-05-11 20:05 ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-11 20:25   ` Rui Salvaterra
2020-05-11 20:51     ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12  7:57       ` Michel Dänzer
2020-05-12  9:21         ` Rui Salvaterra
2020-05-12  9:40           ` Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR)
2020-05-12 13:22             ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 16:37               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-12 17:02                 ` Rui Salvaterra
2020-05-12 18:21                   ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-12 20:12                     ` Dave Airlie
2020-05-13  7:26                       ` Christian König
2020-05-12 18:22                 ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-13  7:19                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-13  7:55                     ` Christian König
2020-05-13 10:25                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-13  9:28                     ` Rui Salvaterra
2020-05-13 10:26                       ` Michel Dänzer
2020-05-13 10:29                         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-13 10:32                           ` Michel Dänzer
2020-05-13 10:39                         ` Rui Salvaterra
2020-05-13 10:57                           ` Michel Dänzer
2020-05-13 11:07                             ` Rui Salvaterra
2020-05-13 13:44                               ` Christian Zigotzky
2020-05-13 14:01                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2020-05-13 14:01                                 ` Rui Salvaterra
2020-05-13 20:19                                   ` Bertrand Dekoninck
2020-05-13 20:36                                     ` Rui Salvaterra
2020-05-11 20:41   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2020-05-11 20:46     ` Alex Deucher
2020-05-11 21:50       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2020-05-12  7:43       ` Christian König
2020-05-11 20:12 ` Christian König
2020-05-11 20:24   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2020-05-11 20:48     ` Gerhard Pircher
2020-05-12  5:04 ` David VANTYGHEM
2020-05-12  9:20   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz

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