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From: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Ondrej Kozina <okozina@redhat.com>,
	Jerome Marchand <jmarchan@redhat.com>,
	Stanislav Kozina <skozina@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dm-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: System freezes after OOM
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:27:12 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1607140818250.15554@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1607131644590.92037@chino.kir.corp.google.com>



On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, David Rientjes wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> 
> > What are the real problems that f9054c70d28bc214b2857cf8db8269f4f45a5e23 
> > tries to fix?
> > 
> 
> It prevents the whole system from livelocking due to an oom killed process 
> stalling forever waiting for mempool_alloc() to return.  No other threads 
> may be oom killed while waiting for it to exit.
> 
> > Do you have a stacktrace where it deadlocked, or was just a theoretical 
> > consideration?
> > 
> 
> schedule
> schedule_timeout
> io_schedule_timeout
> mempool_alloc
> __split_and_process_bio
> dm_request
> generic_make_request
> submit_bio
> mpage_readpages
> ext4_readpages
> __do_page_cache_readahead
> ra_submit
> filemap_fault
> handle_mm_fault
> __do_page_fault
> do_page_fault
> page_fault

Device mapper should be able to proceed if there is no available memory. 
If it doesn't proceed, there is a bug in it.

I'd like to ask - what device mapper targets did you use in this case? Are 
there some other deadlocked processes? (show sysrq-t, sysrq-w when this 
happened)

Did the machine lock up completely with that stacktrace, or was it just 
slowed down?

> > Mempool users generally (except for some flawed cases like fs_bio_set) do 
> > not require memory to proceed. So if you just loop in mempool_alloc, the 
> > processes that exhasted the mempool reserve will eventually return objects 
> > to the mempool and you should proceed.
> > 
> 
> That's obviously not the case if we have hundreds of machines timing out 
> after two hours waiting for that fault to succeed.  The mempool interface 
> cannot require that users return elements to the pool synchronous with all 
> allocators so that we can happily loop forever, the only requirement on 

Mempool users must return objects to the mempool.

> the interface is that mempool_alloc() must succeed.  If the context of the 
> thread doing mempool_alloc() allows access to memory reserves, this will 
> always be allowed by the page allocator.  This is not a mempool problem.

Mikulas

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From: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Ondrej Kozina <okozina@redhat.com>,
	Jerome Marchand <jmarchan@redhat.com>,
	Stanislav Kozina <skozina@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dm-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: System freezes after OOM
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:27:12 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1607140818250.15554@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1607131644590.92037@chino.kir.corp.google.com>



On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, David Rientjes wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> 
> > What are the real problems that f9054c70d28bc214b2857cf8db8269f4f45a5e23 
> > tries to fix?
> > 
> 
> It prevents the whole system from livelocking due to an oom killed process 
> stalling forever waiting for mempool_alloc() to return.  No other threads 
> may be oom killed while waiting for it to exit.
> 
> > Do you have a stacktrace where it deadlocked, or was just a theoretical 
> > consideration?
> > 
> 
> schedule
> schedule_timeout
> io_schedule_timeout
> mempool_alloc
> __split_and_process_bio
> dm_request
> generic_make_request
> submit_bio
> mpage_readpages
> ext4_readpages
> __do_page_cache_readahead
> ra_submit
> filemap_fault
> handle_mm_fault
> __do_page_fault
> do_page_fault
> page_fault

Device mapper should be able to proceed if there is no available memory. 
If it doesn't proceed, there is a bug in it.

I'd like to ask - what device mapper targets did you use in this case? Are 
there some other deadlocked processes? (show sysrq-t, sysrq-w when this 
happened)

Did the machine lock up completely with that stacktrace, or was it just 
slowed down?

> > Mempool users generally (except for some flawed cases like fs_bio_set) do 
> > not require memory to proceed. So if you just loop in mempool_alloc, the 
> > processes that exhasted the mempool reserve will eventually return objects 
> > to the mempool and you should proceed.
> > 
> 
> That's obviously not the case if we have hundreds of machines timing out 
> after two hours waiting for that fault to succeed.  The mempool interface 
> cannot require that users return elements to the pool synchronous with all 
> allocators so that we can happily loop forever, the only requirement on 

Mempool users must return objects to the mempool.

> the interface is that mempool_alloc() must succeed.  If the context of the 
> thread doing mempool_alloc() allows access to memory reserves, this will 
> always be allowed by the page allocator.  This is not a mempool problem.

Mikulas

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-14 12:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]   ` <9be09452-de7f-d8be-fd5d-4a80d1cd1ba3@redhat.com>
2016-07-11 15:43     ` System freezes after OOM Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-11 15:43       ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-12  6:49       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-12  6:49         ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-12 23:44         ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-12 23:44         ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-12 23:44           ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13  8:35           ` Jerome Marchand
2016-07-13  8:35           ` Jerome Marchand
2016-07-13 11:14             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 11:14             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 11:14               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 14:21               ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13 14:21                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13 11:10           ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 11:10           ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 11:10             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 12:50             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 12:50               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 13:44               ` Milan Broz
2016-07-13 13:44                 ` Milan Broz
2016-07-13 15:21                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13 15:21                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-14  9:09                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14  9:09                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14  9:46                     ` Milan Broz
2016-07-14  9:46                       ` Milan Broz
2016-07-13 12:50             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 15:02             ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13 15:02             ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13 15:02               ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-14 10:51               ` [dm-devel] " Ondrej Kozina
2016-07-14 10:51                 ` Ondrej Kozina
2016-07-14 12:51               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 12:51                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 14:00                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-14 14:00                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-14 14:59                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 14:59                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 15:25                     ` Ondrej Kozina
2016-07-14 15:25                       ` Ondrej Kozina
2016-07-14 17:35                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-14 17:35                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15  8:35                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-15  8:35                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-15 12:11                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 12:11                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 12:22                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-15 12:22                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-15 17:02                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 17:02                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-18  7:22                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-18  7:22                                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 14:08                 ` Ondrej Kozina
2016-07-14 14:08                   ` Ondrej Kozina
2016-07-14 14:08                   ` Ondrej Kozina
2016-07-14 15:31                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 15:31                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 17:07                     ` Ondrej Kozina
2016-07-14 17:07                       ` Ondrej Kozina
2016-07-14 17:36                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 17:36                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 17:39                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 17:39                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-15 11:42                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-07-15 11:42                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-07-13 13:19           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-07-13 13:19             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-07-13 13:39             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 13:39               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 14:18               ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13 14:18               ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13 14:18                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13 14:56                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 14:56                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 15:11                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13 15:11                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13 23:53                     ` David Rientjes
2016-07-13 23:53                       ` David Rientjes
2016-07-14 11:01                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-07-14 11:01                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-07-14 12:29                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-14 12:29                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-14 20:26                         ` David Rientjes
2016-07-14 20:26                           ` David Rientjes
2016-07-14 21:40                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-07-14 21:40                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-07-14 22:04                             ` David Rientjes
2016-07-14 22:04                               ` David Rientjes
2016-07-15 11:25                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 11:25                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 21:21                             ` David Rientjes
2016-07-15 21:21                               ` David Rientjes
2016-07-14 11:01                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-07-14 12:27                       ` Mikulas Patocka [this message]
2016-07-14 12:27                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-14 20:22                         ` David Rientjes
2016-07-14 20:22                           ` David Rientjes
2016-07-15 11:21                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 11:21                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 21:25                             ` David Rientjes
2016-07-15 21:25                               ` David Rientjes
2016-07-15 21:39                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 21:39                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 21:58                                 ` David Rientjes
2016-07-15 21:58                                   ` David Rientjes
2016-07-15 23:53                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 23:53                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-18 15:14                             ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-18 15:14                               ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-14 15:29                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 15:29                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14 20:38                         ` David Rientjes
2016-07-14 20:38                           ` David Rientjes
2016-07-15  7:22                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-15  7:22                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-15  8:23                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-15  8:23                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-15 12:00                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 12:00                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-15 21:47                             ` David Rientjes
2016-07-15 21:47                               ` David Rientjes
2016-07-18  7:39                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-18  7:39                                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-18 21:03                                 ` David Rientjes
2016-07-18 21:03                                   ` David Rientjes
2016-07-13 23:53                     ` David Rientjes
2016-07-13 15:11                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-13 14:56                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-13 13:39             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-14  0:01             ` David Rientjes
2016-07-14  0:01               ` David Rientjes
2016-07-14  0:01             ` David Rientjes
2016-07-13 13:19           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-07-12  6:49       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-11 15:43     ` Mikulas Patocka

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