From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com> To: Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org>, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> Cc: Paul Menzel <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de>, Arunpravin Paneer Selvam <arunpravin.paneerselvam@amd.com>, Intel Graphics Development <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>, amd-gfx list <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>, Maling list - DRI developers <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>, "Deucher, Alexander" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>, Matthew Auld <matthew.auld@intel.com> Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] Commit messages (was: [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:32:11 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <c41203c8-841b-889f-5c9b-5982ee961849@amd.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <CAPj87rPhuVTDJSsY-HsKfvV3xkDhEn7nUd3WLsxNuJD=Mx2Zxg@mail.gmail.com> Am 23.03.22 um 16:24 schrieb Daniel Stone: > On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 15:14, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:04 AM Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org> wrote: >>> That's not what anyone's saying here ... >>> >>> No-one's demanding AMD publish RTL, or internal design docs, or >>> hardware specs, or URLs to JIRA tickets no-one can access. >>> >>> This is a large and invasive commit with pretty big ramifications; >>> containing exactly two lines of commit message, one of which just >>> duplicates the subject. >>> >>> It cannot be the case that it's completely impossible to provide any >>> justification, background, or details, about this commit being made. >>> Unless, of course, it's to fix a non-public security issue, that is >>> reasonable justification for eliding some of the details. But then >>> again, 'huge change which is very deliberately opaque' is a really >>> good way to draw a lot of attention to the commit, and it would be >>> better to provide more detail about the change to help it slip under >>> the radar. >>> >>> If dri-devel@ isn't allowed to inquire about patches which are posted, >>> then CCing the list is just a façade; might as well just do it all >>> internally and periodically dump out pull requests. >> I think we are in agreement. I think the withheld information >> Christian was referring to was on another thread with Christian and >> Paul discussing a workaround for a hardware bug: >> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spinics.net%2Flists%2Famd-gfx%2Fmsg75908.html&data=04%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C6a3f2815d83b4872577008da0ce1347a%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637836458652370599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=QtNB0XHMhTgH%2FNHMwF23Qn%2BgSdYyHJSenbpP%2FHG%2BkxE%3D&reserved=0 > Right, that definitely seems like some crossed wires. I don't see > anything wrong with that commit at all: the commit message and a > comment notes that there is a hardware issue preventing Raven from > being able to do TMZ+GTT, and the code does the very straightforward > and obvious thing to ensure that on VCN 1.0, any TMZ buffer must be > VRAM-placed. > > This one, on the other hand, is much less clear ... Yes, completely agree. I mean a good bunch of comments on commit messages are certainly valid and we could improve them. But this patch here was worked on by both AMD and Intel developers. Where both sides and I think even people from other companies perfectly understands why, what, how etc... When now somebody comes along and asks for a whole explanation of the context why we do it then that sounds really strange to me. Thanks for jumping in here, Christian. > > Cheers, > Daniel
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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com> To: Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org>, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> Cc: Paul Menzel <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de>, Arunpravin Paneer Selvam <arunpravin.paneerselvam@amd.com>, Intel Graphics Development <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>, amd-gfx list <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>, Maling list - DRI developers <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>, "Deucher, Alexander" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>, Matthew Auld <matthew.auld@intel.com> Subject: Re: Commit messages (was: [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:32:11 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <c41203c8-841b-889f-5c9b-5982ee961849@amd.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <CAPj87rPhuVTDJSsY-HsKfvV3xkDhEn7nUd3WLsxNuJD=Mx2Zxg@mail.gmail.com> Am 23.03.22 um 16:24 schrieb Daniel Stone: > On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 15:14, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:04 AM Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org> wrote: >>> That's not what anyone's saying here ... >>> >>> No-one's demanding AMD publish RTL, or internal design docs, or >>> hardware specs, or URLs to JIRA tickets no-one can access. >>> >>> This is a large and invasive commit with pretty big ramifications; >>> containing exactly two lines of commit message, one of which just >>> duplicates the subject. >>> >>> It cannot be the case that it's completely impossible to provide any >>> justification, background, or details, about this commit being made. >>> Unless, of course, it's to fix a non-public security issue, that is >>> reasonable justification for eliding some of the details. But then >>> again, 'huge change which is very deliberately opaque' is a really >>> good way to draw a lot of attention to the commit, and it would be >>> better to provide more detail about the change to help it slip under >>> the radar. >>> >>> If dri-devel@ isn't allowed to inquire about patches which are posted, >>> then CCing the list is just a façade; might as well just do it all >>> internally and periodically dump out pull requests. >> I think we are in agreement. I think the withheld information >> Christian was referring to was on another thread with Christian and >> Paul discussing a workaround for a hardware bug: >> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spinics.net%2Flists%2Famd-gfx%2Fmsg75908.html&data=04%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C6a3f2815d83b4872577008da0ce1347a%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637836458652370599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=QtNB0XHMhTgH%2FNHMwF23Qn%2BgSdYyHJSenbpP%2FHG%2BkxE%3D&reserved=0 > Right, that definitely seems like some crossed wires. I don't see > anything wrong with that commit at all: the commit message and a > comment notes that there is a hardware issue preventing Raven from > being able to do TMZ+GTT, and the code does the very straightforward > and obvious thing to ensure that on VCN 1.0, any TMZ buffer must be > VRAM-placed. > > This one, on the other hand, is much less clear ... Yes, completely agree. I mean a good bunch of comments on commit messages are certainly valid and we could improve them. But this patch here was worked on by both AMD and Intel developers. Where both sides and I think even people from other companies perfectly understands why, what, how etc... When now somebody comes along and asks for a whole explanation of the context why we do it then that sounds really strange to me. Thanks for jumping in here, Christian. > > Cheers, > Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-23 15:32 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2022-03-23 6:25 [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-23 6:25 ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-23 6:25 ` [Intel-gfx] " Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-23 6:42 ` Paul Menzel 2022-03-23 6:42 ` Paul Menzel 2022-03-23 6:42 ` [Intel-gfx] " Paul Menzel 2022-03-23 7:42 ` Christian König 2022-03-23 7:42 ` Christian König 2022-03-23 7:42 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König 2022-03-23 8:10 ` Commit messages (was: [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu) Paul Menzel 2022-03-23 8:10 ` Paul Menzel 2022-03-23 8:10 ` [Intel-gfx] " Paul Menzel 2022-03-23 8:18 ` Christian König 2022-03-23 8:18 ` Christian König 2022-03-23 8:18 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König 2022-03-23 14:00 ` Daniel Stone 2022-03-23 14:00 ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Stone 2022-03-23 14:42 ` Alex Deucher 2022-03-23 14:42 ` [Intel-gfx] " Alex Deucher 2022-03-23 15:03 ` Daniel Stone 2022-03-23 15:03 ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Stone 2022-03-23 15:14 ` Alex Deucher 2022-03-23 15:14 ` [Intel-gfx] " Alex Deucher 2022-03-23 15:24 ` Daniel Stone 2022-03-23 15:24 ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Stone 2022-03-23 15:32 ` Christian König [this message] 2022-03-23 15:32 ` Christian König 2022-03-24 10:30 ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter 2022-03-24 10:30 ` Daniel Vetter 2022-03-25 15:56 ` Commit messages Paul Menzel 2022-03-25 15:56 ` [Intel-gfx] " Paul Menzel 2022-03-23 15:19 ` Commit messages (was: [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu) Christian König 2022-03-23 15:19 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König 2022-03-23 7:16 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu (rev2) Patchwork 2022-03-23 7:37 ` [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu Christian König 2022-03-23 7:37 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König 2022-03-23 7:37 ` Christian König [not found] ` <MN2PR12MB4342B7FD0CC5C480DEEF8A77E41D9@MN2PR12MB4342.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> 2022-03-29 11:19 ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-29 11:19 ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-29 11:19 ` [Intel-gfx] " Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-29 11:24 ` Christian König 2022-03-29 11:24 ` Christian König 2022-03-29 11:24 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König 2022-03-29 16:00 ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-29 16:00 ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-29 16:00 ` [Intel-gfx] " Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-29 19:18 ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-29 19:18 ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-29 19:18 ` [Intel-gfx] " Arunpravin Paneer Selvam 2022-03-30 6:53 ` Christian König 2022-03-30 6:53 ` Christian König 2022-03-30 6:53 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König 2022-03-23 11:26 ` kernel test robot 2022-03-23 11:26 ` [Intel-gfx] " kernel test robot
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