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From: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, ngupta@vflare.org
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
	mfasheh@suse.com, Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>,
	matthew@wil.cx, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org, JBeulich@novell.com,
	Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>,
	npiggin@suse.de, Dave Mccracken <dave.mccracken@oracle.com>,
	riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
	Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:37:51 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c979fa45-8878-4e40-9060-c3e929eebbab@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <364c83bd-ccb2-48cc-920d-ffcf9ca7df19@default>

> From: Dan Magenheimer
> Subject: RE: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
>=20
> > From: Christoph Hellwig [mailto:hch@infradead.org]
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:58:03AM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> > > CHRISTOPH AND ANDREW, if you disagree and your concerns have
> > > not been resolved, please speak up.
>=20
> Hi Christoph --
>=20
> Thanks very much for the quick (instantaneous?) reply!
>=20
> > Anything that need modification of a normal non-shared fs is utterly
> > broken and you'll get a clear NAK, so the propsal before is a good
> > one.
>=20
> Unless/until all filesystems are 100% built on top of VFS,
> I have to disagree.  Abstractions (e.g. VFS) are never perfect.

After thinking about this some more, I can see a way
to enforce "opt-in" in the cleancache backend without
any changes to non-generic fs code.   I think it's a horrible
hack and we can try it, but I expect fs maintainers
would prefer the explicit one-line-patch opt-in.

1) Cleancache backend maintains a list of "known working"
   filesystems (those that have been tested).

2) Nitin's proposed changes pass the *sb as a parameter.
  The string name of the filesystem type is available via
  sb->s_type->name.  This can be compared against
  the "known working" list.

Using the sb pointer as a "handle" requires an extra
table search on every cleancache get/put/flush,
and fs/super.c changes are required for fs unmount
notification anyway (e.g. to call cleancache_flush_fs)
so I'd prefer to keep the cleancache_poolid addition
to the sb.  I'll assume this is OK since this is in generic
fs code.

Dan

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From: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, ngupta@vflare.org
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
	mfasheh@suse.com, Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>,
	matthew@wil.cx, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org, JBeulich@novell.com,
	Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>,
	npiggin@suse.de, Dave Mccracken <dave.mccracken@oracle.com>,
	riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
	Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:37:51 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c979fa45-8878-4e40-9060-c3e929eebbab@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <364c83bd-ccb2-48cc-920d-ffcf9ca7df19@default>

> From: Dan Magenheimer
> Subject: RE: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
> 
> > From: Christoph Hellwig [mailto:hch@infradead.org]
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:58:03AM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> > > CHRISTOPH AND ANDREW, if you disagree and your concerns have
> > > not been resolved, please speak up.
> 
> Hi Christoph --
> 
> Thanks very much for the quick (instantaneous?) reply!
> 
> > Anything that need modification of a normal non-shared fs is utterly
> > broken and you'll get a clear NAK, so the propsal before is a good
> > one.
> 
> Unless/until all filesystems are 100% built on top of VFS,
> I have to disagree.  Abstractions (e.g. VFS) are never perfect.

After thinking about this some more, I can see a way
to enforce "opt-in" in the cleancache backend without
any changes to non-generic fs code.   I think it's a horrible
hack and we can try it, but I expect fs maintainers
would prefer the explicit one-line-patch opt-in.

1) Cleancache backend maintains a list of "known working"
   filesystems (those that have been tested).

2) Nitin's proposed changes pass the *sb as a parameter.
  The string name of the filesystem type is available via
  sb->s_type->name.  This can be compared against
  the "known working" list.

Using the sb pointer as a "handle" requires an extra
table search on every cleancache get/put/flush,
and fs/super.c changes are required for fs unmount
notification anyway (e.g. to call cleancache_flush_fs)
so I'd prefer to keep the cleancache_poolid addition
to the sb.  I'll assume this is OK since this is in generic
fs code.

Dan

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From: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, ngupta@vflare.org
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
	mfasheh@suse.com, Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>,
	matthew@wil.cx, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org, JBeulich@novell.com,
	Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>,
	npiggin@suse.de, Dave Mccracken <dave.mccracken@oracle.com>,
	riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
	Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:37:51 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c979fa45-8878-4e40-9060-c3e929eebbab@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <364c83bd-ccb2-48cc-920d-ffcf9ca7df19@default>

> From: Dan Magenheimer
> Subject: RE: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
> 
> > From: Christoph Hellwig [mailto:hch@infradead.org]
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:58:03AM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> > > CHRISTOPH AND ANDREW, if you disagree and your concerns have
> > > not been resolved, please speak up.
> 
> Hi Christoph --
> 
> Thanks very much for the quick (instantaneous?) reply!
> 
> > Anything that need modification of a normal non-shared fs is utterly
> > broken and you'll get a clear NAK, so the propsal before is a good
> > one.
> 
> Unless/until all filesystems are 100% built on top of VFS,
> I have to disagree.  Abstractions (e.g. VFS) are never perfect.

After thinking about this some more, I can see a way
to enforce "opt-in" in the cleancache backend without
any changes to non-generic fs code.   I think it's a horrible
hack and we can try it, but I expect fs maintainers
would prefer the explicit one-line-patch opt-in.

1) Cleancache backend maintains a list of "known working"
   filesystems (those that have been tested).

2) Nitin's proposed changes pass the *sb as a parameter.
  The string name of the filesystem type is available via
  sb->s_type->name.  This can be compared against
  the "known working" list.

Using the sb pointer as a "handle" requires an extra
table search on every cleancache get/put/flush,
and fs/super.c changes are required for fs unmount
notification anyway (e.g. to call cleancache_flush_fs)
so I'd prefer to keep the cleancache_poolid addition
to the sb.  I'll assume this is OK since this is in generic
fs code.

Dan

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From: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, ngupta@vflare.org
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
	mfasheh@suse.com, Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>,
	matthew@wil.cx, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org, JBeulich@novell.com,
	Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>,
	npiggin@suse.de, Dave Mccracken <dave.mccracken@oracle.com>,
	riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
	Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Subject: [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:37:51 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c979fa45-8878-4e40-9060-c3e929eebbab@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <364c83bd-ccb2-48cc-920d-ffcf9ca7df19@default>

> From: Dan Magenheimer
> Subject: RE: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
> 
> > From: Christoph Hellwig [mailto:hch at infradead.org]
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:58:03AM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> > > CHRISTOPH AND ANDREW, if you disagree and your concerns have
> > > not been resolved, please speak up.
> 
> Hi Christoph --
> 
> Thanks very much for the quick (instantaneous?) reply!
> 
> > Anything that need modification of a normal non-shared fs is utterly
> > broken and you'll get a clear NAK, so the propsal before is a good
> > one.
> 
> Unless/until all filesystems are 100% built on top of VFS,
> I have to disagree.  Abstractions (e.g. VFS) are never perfect.

After thinking about this some more, I can see a way
to enforce "opt-in" in the cleancache backend without
any changes to non-generic fs code.   I think it's a horrible
hack and we can try it, but I expect fs maintainers
would prefer the explicit one-line-patch opt-in.

1) Cleancache backend maintains a list of "known working"
   filesystems (those that have been tested).

2) Nitin's proposed changes pass the *sb as a parameter.
  The string name of the filesystem type is available via
  sb->s_type->name.  This can be compared against
  the "known working" list.

Using the sb pointer as a "handle" requires an extra
table search on every cleancache get/put/flush,
and fs/super.c changes are required for fs unmount
notification anyway (e.g. to call cleancache_flush_fs)
so I'd prefer to keep the cleancache_poolid addition
to the sb.  I'll assume this is OK since this is in generic
fs code.

Dan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-23 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-21 23:18 [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-21 23:18 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-21 23:18 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-22  6:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-22  6:40   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-22  6:40   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-06 20:58 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-07-06 20:58   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-07-06 20:58   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-07-23  7:36 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23  7:36   ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23  7:36   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23  8:16   ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:16     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:16     ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:16     ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 14:56     ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 14:56       ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 14:56       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23  8:17   ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:17     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:17     ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:17     ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 13:58   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 13:58     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 13:58     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:04     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-23 14:04       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-23 14:04       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-23 14:44       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:44         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:44         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:44         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 15:05         ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 15:05           ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 15:05           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 17:43           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:43             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:43             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:43             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:37         ` Dan Magenheimer [this message]
2010-07-23 17:37           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:37           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:37           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 18:36           ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 18:36             ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 18:36             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 21:17         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 21:17           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 21:17           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 21:17           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 16:22           ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-08-03 16:22             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Boaz Harrosh
2010-08-03 16:22             ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-08-03 17:35             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 17:35               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 17:35               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 17:35               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 18:34               ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 18:34                 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 18:34                 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 18:34                 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 19:09                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 19:09                   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 19:09                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 19:09                   ` Dan Magenheimer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-06-21 23:18 Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-21 23:18 Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-21 23:18 Dan Magenheimer
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