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From: Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com>
To: speck@linutronix.de
Subject: [MODERATED] Encrypted Message
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 00:47:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ee8152b1-ce41-5a4b-dd8e-c256b688e096@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190301214848.253554490@linutronix.de>

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From: Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com>
To: speck for Thomas Gleixner <speck@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [patch V6 12/14] MDS basics 12

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On 3/1/19 4:47 PM, speck for Thomas Gleixner wrote:

> Subject: [patch V6 12/14] x86/speculation/mds: Add mitigation mode VMWERV
> From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> 
> In virtualized environments it can happen that the host has the microcode
> update which utilizes the VERW instruction to clear CPU buffers, but the
> hypervisor is not yet updated to expose the X86_FEATURE_MD_CLEAR CPUID bit
> to guests.
> 
> Introduce an internal mitigation mode VWWERV which enables the invocation
> of the CPU buffer clearing even if X86_FEATURE_MD_CLEAR is not set. If the
> system has no updated microcode this results in a pointless execution of
> the VERW instruction wasting a few CPU cycles. If the microcode is updated,
> but not exposed to a guest then the CPU buffers will be cleared.
> 
> That said: Virtual Machines Will Eventually Receive Vaccine

The effect of this patch, currently, is that a (bare metal) machine
without updated ucode will print the following:

[    1.576602] MDS: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode

The intention of the patch is to say "hey, you might be on a VM, so
we'll try anyway in case we didn't get told you had MD_CLEAR". But the
effect on bare metal might be ambiguous. It's reasonable (for someone
else) to assume we might be using a software sequence to try flushing.

Perhaps the wording should convey something like:

"MDS: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers may not work, no microcode"

Jon.

-- 
Computer Architect | Sent with my Fedora powered laptop


  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-04  5:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-01 21:47 [patch V6 00/14] MDS basics 0 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 01/14] MDS basics 1 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-02  0:06   ` [MODERATED] " Frederic Weisbecker
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 02/14] MDS basics 2 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-02  0:34   ` [MODERATED] " Frederic Weisbecker
2019-03-02  8:34   ` Greg KH
2019-03-05 17:54   ` Borislav Petkov
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 03/14] MDS basics 3 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-02  1:12   ` [MODERATED] " Frederic Weisbecker
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 04/14] MDS basics 4 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-02  1:28   ` [MODERATED] " Frederic Weisbecker
2019-03-05 14:52     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-06 20:00   ` [MODERATED] " Andrew Cooper
2019-03-06 20:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-07 23:56   ` [MODERATED] " Andi Kleen
2019-03-08  0:36     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 05/14] MDS basics 5 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-02  1:37   ` [MODERATED] " Frederic Weisbecker
2019-03-07 23:59   ` Andi Kleen
2019-03-08  6:37     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 06/14] MDS basics 6 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-04  6:28   ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-05 14:55     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 07/14] MDS basics 7 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-02  2:22   ` [MODERATED] " Frederic Weisbecker
2019-03-05 15:30     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-06 15:49       ` [MODERATED] " Frederic Weisbecker
2019-03-06  5:21   ` Borislav Petkov
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 08/14] MDS basics 8 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-03  2:54   ` [MODERATED] " Frederic Weisbecker
2019-03-04  6:57   ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-04  7:06     ` Jon Masters
2019-03-04  8:12       ` Jon Masters
2019-03-05 15:34     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-06 16:21       ` [MODERATED] " Jon Masters
2019-03-06 14:11   ` [MODERATED] Re: [patch V6 08/14] MDS basics 8 Borislav Petkov
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 09/14] MDS basics 9 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-06 16:14   ` [MODERATED] " Frederic Weisbecker
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 10/14] MDS basics 10 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-04  6:45   ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-05 18:42   ` [MODERATED] Re: [patch V6 10/14] MDS basics 10 Andrea Arcangeli
2019-03-06 19:15     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-06 14:31   ` [MODERATED] " Borislav Petkov
2019-03-06 15:30     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-06 18:35       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-06 19:34         ` [MODERATED] Re: " Borislav Petkov
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 11/14] MDS basics 11 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 12/14] MDS basics 12 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-04  5:47   ` Jon Masters [this message]
2019-03-05 16:04     ` Encrypted Message Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-05 16:40   ` [MODERATED] Re: [patch V6 12/14] MDS basics 12 mark gross
2019-03-06 14:42   ` Borislav Petkov
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 13/14] MDS basics 13 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-03  4:01   ` [MODERATED] " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-05 16:04     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-05 16:43   ` [MODERATED] " mark gross
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 14/14] MDS basics 14 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-01 23:48 ` [patch V6 00/14] MDS basics 0 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-04  5:30 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-03-05 16:43 [MODERATED] Starting to go public? Linus Torvalds
2019-03-05 17:02 ` [MODERATED] " Andrew Cooper
2019-03-05 20:36   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-03-05 22:31     ` Andrew Cooper
2019-03-06 16:18       ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-05 17:10 ` Jon Masters
2019-03-04  1:21 [MODERATED] [PATCH RFC 0/4] Proposed cmdline improvements Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-04  1:23 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH RFC 1/4] 1 Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-04  3:55   ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-04  7:30   ` [MODERATED] Re: [PATCH RFC 1/4] 1 Greg KH
2019-03-04  7:45     ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-04  1:24 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH RFC 3/4] 3 Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-04  3:58   ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-04 17:17     ` [MODERATED] " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-06 16:22       ` [MODERATED] " Jon Masters
2019-03-04  1:25 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH RFC 4/4] 4 Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-04  4:07   ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-02-24 15:07 [MODERATED] [PATCH v6 00/43] MDSv6 Andi Kleen
2019-02-24 15:07 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH v6 10/43] MDSv6 Andi Kleen
2019-02-25 16:30   ` [MODERATED] " Greg KH
2019-02-25 16:41     ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-02-24 15:07 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH v6 31/43] MDSv6 Andi Kleen
2019-02-25 15:19   ` [MODERATED] " Greg KH
2019-02-25 15:34     ` Andi Kleen
2019-02-25 15:49       ` Greg KH
2019-02-25 15:52         ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-02-25 16:00           ` [MODERATED] " Greg KH
2019-02-25 16:19             ` [MODERATED] " Jon Masters
2019-02-22 22:24 [patch V4 00/11] MDS basics Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-22 22:24 ` [patch V4 04/11] x86/speculation/mds: Add mds_clear_cpu_buffer() Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-26 14:19   ` [MODERATED] " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-01 20:58     ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-01 22:14       ` Jon Masters
2019-02-21 23:44 [patch V3 0/9] MDS basics 0 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-21 23:44 ` [patch V3 4/9] MDS basics 4 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-22  7:45   ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-02-20 15:07 [patch V2 00/10] MDS basics+ 0 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-20 15:07 ` [patch V2 04/10] MDS basics+ 4 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-20 17:10   ` [MODERATED] " mark gross
2019-02-21 19:26     ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2019-02-19 12:44 [patch 0/8] MDS basics 0 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-21 16:14 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-02-07 23:41 [MODERATED] [PATCH v3 0/6] PERFv3 Andi Kleen
2019-02-07 23:41 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH v3 2/6] PERFv3 Andi Kleen
2019-02-08  0:51   ` [MODERATED] Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM][PATCH " Andrew Cooper
2019-02-08  9:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-08  9:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-08 10:53         ` [MODERATED] [RFC][PATCH] performance walnuts Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-15 23:45           ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-01-12  1:29 [MODERATED] [PATCH v4 00/28] MDSv4 2 Andi Kleen
2019-01-12  1:29 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH v4 05/28] MDSv4 10 Andi Kleen
2019-01-14 19:20   ` [MODERATED] " Dave Hansen
2019-01-18  7:33     ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-01-14 23:39   ` Tim Chen
2019-01-12  1:29 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH v4 10/28] MDSv4 24 Andi Kleen
2019-01-15  1:05   ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-06-12 17:29 [MODERATED] FYI - Reading uncached memory Jon Masters
2018-06-14 16:59 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-05-29 19:42 [MODERATED] [PATCH 0/2] L1TF KVM 0 Paolo Bonzini
     [not found] ` <20180529194240.7F1336110A@crypto-ml.lab.linutronix.de>
2018-05-29 22:49   ` [PATCH 1/2] L1TF KVM 1 Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-29 23:54     ` [MODERATED] " Andrew Cooper
2018-05-30  9:01       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-04  8:24         ` [MODERATED] " Martin Pohlack
2018-06-04 13:11           ` [MODERATED] Is: Tim, Q to you. Was:Re: " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-06-04 17:59             ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-06-05 23:34             ` Tim Chen
2018-06-05 23:37               ` Tim Chen
2018-06-07 19:11                 ` Tim Chen
2018-05-17 20:53 SSB status - V18 pushed out Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-18 13:54 ` [MODERATED] Is: Sleep states ?Was:Re: " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-05-18 14:29   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-18 19:50     ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-05-02 21:51 [patch V11 00/16] SSB 0 Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-03  4:27 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-04-24  9:06 [MODERATED] L1D-Fault KVM mitigation Joerg Roedel
2018-04-24  9:35 ` [MODERATED] " Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-24  9:48   ` David Woodhouse
2018-04-24 11:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-23  9:45       ` David Woodhouse
2018-05-24  9:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-24 15:04           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-24 15:33             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-24 23:18               ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-05-25 18:22                 ` Tim Chen
2018-05-26 19:14                 ` L1D-Fault KVM mitigation Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-29 19:29                   ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-05-29 21:14                     ` L1D-Fault KVM mitigation Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-30 16:38                       ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen

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