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From: Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Markus Elfring <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:CONTROL GROUP (CGROUP)" <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/14] resource limits: aggregate task highwater marks to cgroup level
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:15:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f6f93ae6-48c4-bce9-08a2-5067919e8748@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160715141058.GI3078@mtj.duckdns.org>

On 07/15/16 14:10, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Topi.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 01:35:49PM +0300, Topi Miettinen wrote:
>> Collect resource usage highwater marks of a task to cgroup
>> statistics when the task exits.
> 
> I'm not sure how this makes sense.  The limits are enforced and
> collected per user or along the process hierarchy which can be very
> different from cgroup organization.  What does collecting high
> watermarks from orthogonal structure, sometimes even combining
> per-user numbers from different users, even mean?  These are numbers
> without clear semantics.

There are clear semantics for the limits themselves, either they apply
per task or per user. It makes sense to gather values according to these
semantics. Then with systemd or other tools you can use the valuse to
set the limits for a service regardless if the limit applies per task or
per user and it works according to each limit's semantics.

cgroups are used to aggregate values from a group of tasks, which still
are related to one service. Because with systemd the services also are
given a cgroup context, the values will completely make sense there too.

It could be useful to introduce a new set of limits that apply only
cgroup level. It would not remove the need to aggregate values from a
group of tasks.

-Topi

> 
> Thanks.
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-15 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-15 10:35 [PATCH 00/14] Present useful limits to user (v2) Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 01/14] resource limits: foundation for resource highwater tracking Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 12:12   ` kbuild test robot
2016-07-15 12:49   ` Nicolas Dichtel
2016-07-15 16:27     ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 17:57       ` Nicolas Dichtel
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 02/14] resource limits: aggregate task highwater marks to cgroup level Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 12:38   ` kbuild test robot
2016-07-15 14:10   ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-15 17:15     ` Topi Miettinen [this message]
2016-07-18 22:52       ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-19 16:57         ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-19 18:18           ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 03/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of file sizes Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 04/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of VM data segment Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 05/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of stack size Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 06/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of cores dumped Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 07/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of user processes Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 08/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of number of files Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 09/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of locked memory Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 15:14   ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-07-15 15:14     ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-07-15 15:14     ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-07-15 17:39     ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 17:39       ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 17:39       ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-18 15:38       ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-07-18 15:38         ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-07-18 15:38         ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-07-15 17:45   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 10/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of address space size Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 11/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of number of pending signals Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:35 ` [PATCH 12/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of size of message queues Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:36 ` [PATCH 13/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of niceness Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 10:36 ` [PATCH 14/14] resource limits: track highwater mark of RT priority Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 12:43 ` [PATCH 00/14] Present useful limits to user (v2) Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-15 12:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-15 12:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-15 13:52   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 13:52     ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 13:52     ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 13:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-15 13:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-15 13:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-15 13:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-15 13:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-15 16:57       ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 16:57         ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 16:57         ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 16:57         ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 20:54       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-07-15 20:54       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-07-15 20:54         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-07-15 20:54         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-07-15 20:54         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-07-18 13:00         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
     [not found]       ` <20160715135956.GA3115-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-15 20:54         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-07-15 20:54         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-07-15 20:54       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-07-15 20:54       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-07-15 13:04 ` Balbir Singh
2016-07-15 13:04   ` Balbir Singh
2016-07-15 13:04   ` Balbir Singh
2016-07-15 16:35   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 16:35     ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 16:35     ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-18 22:05     ` Doug Ledford
2016-07-18 22:05       ` Doug Ledford
2016-07-19 16:53       ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-19 16:53         ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-19 16:53         ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 14:19 ` Richard Weinberger
2016-07-15 14:19   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-07-15 14:19   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-07-15 17:19   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 17:19     ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-15 17:19     ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-18 21:25   ` Doug Ledford
2016-07-18 21:25     ` Doug Ledford
2016-07-15 17:42 ` Topi Miettinen
2016-08-03 18:20 ` Topi Miettinen
2016-08-03 18:20   ` Topi Miettinen
2016-08-04  6:59   ` Fwd: " Topi Miettinen

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