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From: "Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>
To: Dekel Peled <dekelp@mellanox.com>,
	Matan Azrad <matan@mellanox.com>,
	"Yigit, Ferruh" <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>,
	"Mcnamara, John" <john.mcnamara@intel.com>,
	"Kovacevic, Marko" <marko.kovacevic@intel.com>,
	"nhorman@tuxdriver.com" <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	"ajit.khaparde@broadcom.com" <ajit.khaparde@broadcom.com>,
	"somnath.kotur@broadcom.com" <somnath.kotur@broadcom.com>,
	"Burakov, Anatoly" <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	 "xuanziyang2@huawei.com" <xuanziyang2@huawei.com>,
	"cloud.wangxiaoyun@huawei.com" <cloud.wangxiaoyun@huawei.com>,
	"zhouguoyang@huawei.com" <zhouguoyang@huawei.com>,
	"Lu, Wenzhuo" <wenzhuo.lu@intel.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@mellanox.com>,
	Slava Ovsiienko <viacheslavo@mellanox.com>,
	"rmody@marvell.com" <rmody@marvell.com>,
	"shshaikh@marvell.com" <shshaikh@marvell.com>,
	"maxime.coquelin@redhat.com" <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>,
	"Bie, Tiwei" <tiwei.bie@intel.com>,
	"Wang, Zhihong" <zhihong.wang@intel.com>,
	"yongwang@vmware.com" <yongwang@vmware.com>,
	Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	"arybchenko@solarflare.com" <arybchenko@solarflare.com>,
	"Wu, Jingjing" <jingjing.wu@intel.com>,
	"Iremonger, Bernard" <bernard.iremonger@intel.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/3] ethdev: support API to set max LRO packet size
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 14:52:37 +0000
Message-ID: <2601191342CEEE43887BDE71AB97725801A8C8327C@IRSMSX104.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR05MB3460DF8874D1A078D35AE2EAB67B0@AM4PR05MB3460.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>


> > > > >>>> On 11/7/2019 12:35 PM, Dekel Peled wrote:
> > > > >>>>> @@ -1266,6 +1286,18 @@ struct rte_eth_dev *
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>> 	RTE_ETHER_MAX_LEN;
> > > > >>>>>  	}
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> +	/*
> > > > >>>>> +	 * If LRO is enabled, check that the maximum aggregated
> > > > packet
> > > > >>>>> +	 * size is supported by the configured device.
> > > > >>>>> +	 */
> > > > >>>>> +	if (dev_conf->rxmode.offloads &
> > > > DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_TCP_LRO) {
> > > > >>>>> +		ret = check_lro_pkt_size(
> > > > >>>>> +				port_id, dev_conf-
> > > > >>>>> rxmode.max_lro_pkt_size,
> > > > >>>>> +				dev_info.max_lro_pkt_size);
> > > > >>>>> +		if (ret != 0)
> > > > >>>>> +			goto rollback;
> > > > >>>>> +	}
> > > > >>>>> +
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> This check forces applications that enable LRO to provide
> > > > >> 'max_lro_pkt_size'
> > > > >>>> config value.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Yes.(we can break an API, we noticed it)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am not talking about API/ABI breakage, that part is OK.
> > > > >> With this check, if the application requested LRO offload but not
> > > > >> provided 'max_lro_pkt_size' value, device configuration will fail.
> > > > >>
> > > > > Yes
> > > > >> Can there be a case application is good with whatever the PMD can
> > > > >> support as max?
> > > > > Yes can be - you know, we can do everything we want but it is
> > > > > better to be
> > > > consistent:
> > > > > Due to the fact of Max rx pkt len field is mandatory for JUMBO
> > > > > offload, max
> > > > lro pkt len should be mandatory for LRO offload.
> > > > >
> > > > > So your question is actually why both, non-lro packets and LRO
> > > > > packets max
> > > > size are mandatory...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it should be important values for net applications management.
> > > > > Also good for mbuf size managements.
> > > > >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> - Why it is mandatory now, how it was working before if it is
> > > > >>>> mandatory value?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> It is the same as max_rx_pkt_len which is mandatory for jumbo
> > > > >>> frame
> > > > >> offload.
> > > > >>> So now, when the user configures a LRO offload he must to set
> > > > >>> max lro pkt
> > > > >> len.
> > > > >>> We don't want to confuse the user here with the max rx pkt len
> > > > >> configurations and behaviors, they should be with same logic.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> This parameter defines well the LRO behavior.
> > > > >>> Before this, each PMD took its own interpretation to what should
> > > > >>> be the
> > > > >> maximum size for LRO aggregated packets.
> > > > >>> Now, the user must say what is his intension, and the ethdev can
> > > > >>> limit it
> > > > >> according to the device capability.
> > > > >>> By this way, also, the PMD can organize\optimize its data-path more.
> > > > >>> Also, the application can create different mempools for LRO
> > > > >>> queues to
> > > > >> allow bigger packet receiving for LRO traffic.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> - What happens if PMD doesn't provide 'max_lro_pkt_size', so it is
> > '0'?
> > > > >>> Yes, you can see the feature description Dekel added.
> > > > >>> This patch also updates all the PMDs support an LRO for non-0 value.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Of course I can see the updates Matan, my point is "What happens
> > > > >> if PMD doesn't provide 'max_lro_pkt_size'",
> > > > >> 1) There is no check for it right, so it is acceptable?
> > > > >
> > > > > There is check.
> > > > > If the capability is 0, any non-zero configuration will fail.
> > > > >
> > > > >> 2) Are we making this filed mandatory to provide for PMDs, it is
> > > > >> easy to make new fields mandatory for PMDs but is this really
> > necessary?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, for consistence.
> > > > >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> as same as max rx pkt len, no?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> - What do you think setting 'max_lro_pkt_size' config value to
> > > > >>>> what PMD provided if application doesn't provide it?
> > > > >>> Same answers as above.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If application doesn't care the value, as it has been till now,
> > > > >> and not provided explicit 'max_lro_pkt_size', why not ethdev
> > > > >> level use the value provided by PMD instead of failing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, same question we can ask on max rx pkt len.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like the packet size is very important value which should be
> > > > > set by
> > > > the application.
> > > > >
> > > > > Previous applications have no option to configure it, so they
> > > > > haven't
> > > > configure it, (probably cover it somehow) I think it is our miss to
> > > > supply this info.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's do it in same way as we do max rx pkt len (as this patch main idea).
> > > > > Later, we can change both to other meaning.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think it is not a good reason to introduce a new mandatory config
> > > > option for application because of 'max_rx_pkt_len' does it.
> > >
> > > It is mandatory only if LRO offload is configured.
> >
> > So max_rx_pkt_len will remain max size of one packet, while max_lro_len
> > will be max accumulate size for each LRO session?
> >
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > BTW, I think that for ixgbe max lro is RTE_IPV4_MAX_PKT_LEN.
> 
> Please see my change in drivers/net/ixgbe/ixgbe_ethdev.c.
> Change to RTE_IPV4_MAX_PKT_LEN?
> 
> > ixgbe_vf, as I remember, doesn’t support LRO at all.
> 
> Please see my change in drivers/net/ixgbe/ixgbe_vf_representor.c
> Remove it?

Yes, please for both.

> 
> >
> > >
> > > > Will it work, if:
> > > > - If application doesn't provide this value, use the PMD max
> > >
> > > May cause a problem if the mbuf size is not enough for the PMD maximum.
> >
> > Another question, what will happen if PMD will ignore that value and will
> > generate packets bigger then requested?
> 
> PMD should use this value and not ignore it.

Hmm, ok but this patch updates mxl driver only...
I suppose you expect other PMD maintainers to do the job for their PMDs, right?
If so, are they aware (and agree) for this new hard requirement and changes required?
Again what PMD should do if it can't support exact value?
Let say user asked max_lro_size=20KB but PMD can do only 16KB or 24KB?
Should it fail, or round to smallest, or ...?

Actually I wonder, should it really be a hard requirement or more like a guidance to PMD?
Why app needs and *exact* value for LRO size?
 

> >
> > >
> > > > - If both application and PMD doesn't provide this value, fail on
> > configure()?
> > >
> > > It will work.
> > > In my opinion - not ideal.
> > >
> > > Matan
> > >


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Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-05  8:40 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] " Dekel Peled
2019-11-05  8:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/3] ethdev: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-05 12:39   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2019-11-05 13:09     ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-11-05 14:18     ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-05 14:27       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2019-11-05 14:51         ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-05  8:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/3] net/mlx5: use " Dekel Peled
2019-11-05  8:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-05  9:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] support " Matan Azrad
2019-11-06 11:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 " Dekel Peled
2019-11-06 11:34   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/3] ethdev: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-06 12:26     ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-11-06 12:39       ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-06 11:34   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/3] net/mlx5: use " Dekel Peled
2019-11-06 11:34   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-06 12:35     ` Iremonger, Bernard
2019-11-06 13:14       ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-06 14:28   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/3] support " Dekel Peled
2019-11-06 14:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/3] ethdev: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-07 11:57       ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Shahed Shaikh
2019-11-07 12:18         ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-06 14:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/3] net/mlx5: use " Dekel Peled
2019-11-06 14:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-06 16:41     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/3] support " Iremonger, Bernard
2019-11-07  6:10       ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-07 12:35     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 " Dekel Peled
2019-11-07 12:35       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/3] ethdev: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-07 20:15         ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-11-08  6:54           ` Matan Azrad
2019-11-08  9:19             ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-11-08 10:10               ` Matan Azrad
2019-11-08 11:37                 ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-11-08 11:56                   ` Matan Azrad
2019-11-08 12:51                     ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-11-08 16:11                       ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-08 16:53                         ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-11-09 18:20                       ` Matan Azrad
2019-11-10 23:40                         ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-11  8:01                           ` Matan Azrad
2019-11-12 18:31                             ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-11 11:15                         ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-11-11 11:33                           ` Matan Azrad
2019-11-11 12:21                             ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-11-11 13:32                               ` Matan Azrad
2019-11-08 13:11                     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-08 14:10                       ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-08 14:52                         ` Ananyev, Konstantin [this message]
2019-11-08 16:08                           ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-08 16:28                             ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-09 18:26                               ` Matan Azrad
2019-11-10 22:51                                 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-11  6:53                                   ` Matan Azrad
2019-11-07 12:35       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/3] net/mlx5: use " Dekel Peled
2019-11-08  9:12         ` Slava Ovsiienko
2019-11-08  9:23           ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-11-07 12:35       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-07 14:20         ` Iremonger, Bernard
2019-11-07 20:25         ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-11-08  6:56           ` Matan Azrad
2019-11-08 13:58           ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-08  6:28       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/3] support " Matan Azrad
2019-11-08 16:42       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 " Dekel Peled
2019-11-08 16:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/3] ethdev: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-10 23:07           ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-11  7:40             ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-08 16:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/3] net/mlx5: use " Dekel Peled
2019-11-08 16:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-10 23:11           ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-11  7:40             ` Dekel Peled
2019-11-08 23:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6] ethdev: add " Thomas Monjalon
2019-11-10 22:47   ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-11 17:47   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 0/3] support API to set " Dekel Peled
2019-11-11 17:47     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 1/3] ethdev: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-12  0:46       ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-11-11 17:47     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 2/3] net/mlx5: use " Dekel Peled
2019-11-11 17:47     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 3/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-11-12  0:46       ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-11-12  0:47     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 0/3] support " Ferruh Yigit

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