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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 15:24:52 -0700
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wj0eUuVQ=hRFZv_nY7g5ZLt7Fy3K7SMJL0ZCzniPtsbbg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871rj4owfn.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:55 PM Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
>
> Yes it does generate better code, but I tried hard to spot a difference
> in various metrics exposed by perf. It's all in the noise and I only
> can spot a difference when the actual preemption check after the
> decrement

I'm somewhat more worried about the small-device case.

That said, the diffstat certainly has its very clear charm, and I do
agree that it makes things simpler.

I'm just not convinced people should ever EVER do things like that "if
(preemptible())" garbage. It sounds like somebody is doing seriously
bad things.

The chacha20poly1305 code does look fundamentally broken. But no, the
fix is not to make "preemptible" work with spinlocks, the fix is to
not *do* that kind of broken things.

Those things would be broken even if you changed the semantics of
preemptible. There's no way that it's valid to say "use this debug
flag to decide if we should do atomic allocations or not".

It smells like "I got a debug failure, so I'm papering it over by
checking the thing the debug code checks for".

The debug check is to catch the obvious bad cases. It's not the _only_
bad cases, so copying the debug check test is just completely wrong.

Ard and Herbert added to participants: see
chacha20poly1305_crypt_sg_inplace(), which does

        flags = SG_MITER_TO_SG;
        if (!preemptible())
                flags |= SG_MITER_ATOMIC;

introduced in commit d95312a3ccc0 ("crypto: lib/chacha20poly1305 -
reimplement crypt_from_sg() routine").

You *fundamentally* cannot do that. Seriously. It's completely wrong.
Pick one or the other, or have the caller *tell* you what the context
is.

                Linus
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Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-14 20:42 Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 01/13] lib/debug: Remove pointless ARCH_NO_PREEMPT dependencies Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 02/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 03/13] preempt: Clenaup PREEMPT_COUNT leftovers Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 04/13] lockdep: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-15 16:11   ` Will Deacon
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 05/13] mm/pagemap: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 06/13] locking/bitspinlock: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-15 16:10   ` Will Deacon
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 07/13] uaccess: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 08/13] sched: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 09/13] ARM: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 10/13] xtensa: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 11/13] drm/i915: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 12/13] rcutorture: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 13/13] preempt: Remove PREEMPT_COUNT from Kconfig Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:54 ` [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Steven Rostedt
2020-09-14 20:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-14 21:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 22:24     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2020-09-14 22:37       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-15  3:21         ` [PATCH] crypto: lib/chacha20poly1305 - Set SG_MITER_ATOMIC unconditionally Herbert Xu
2020-09-15  6:20         ` [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Ard Biesheuvel
2020-09-15  6:22           ` Herbert Xu
2020-09-15  6:39             ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]               ` <87een35woz.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2020-09-15 17:29                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]       ` <87bli75t7v.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2020-09-15 17:35         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-15 19:57           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-16 18:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-16  7:37           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 15:29             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-16 18:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-16 20:43                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-17  6:38                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-09-16 20:29               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 20:58                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-16 21:43                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 22:39                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-17  7:52                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-17 16:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-29  8:19                     ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:19                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:20                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:21                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:23                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  9:00                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-29 14:54                         ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-16 19:23     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-16 20:48       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-15 17:25   ` Paul E. McKenney

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