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From: Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: David Turner <dturner@twopensource.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 18/19] index-helper: autorun
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 07:50:27 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACsJy8Dx4=igm3YVYkTDdRSxevDo2xRij9P5m7VPxkVrq3oq8Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1603171536420.4690@virtualbox>

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Johannes Schindelin
<Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> wrote:
> Hi Duy,
>
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Duy Nguyen wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Johannes Schindelin
>> <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> wrote:
>> > I am much more concerned about concurrent accesses and the communication
>> > between the Git processes and the index-helper. Writing to the .pid file
>> > sounds very fragile to me, in particular when multiple processes can poke
>> > the index-helper in succession and some readers are unaware that the index
>> > is being refreshed.
>>
>> It's not that bad.
>
> Well, the way I read the code it is possible that:
>
> 1. Git process 1 starts, reading the index
> 2. Git process 2 starts, poking the index-helper
> 3. The index-helper updates the .pid file (why not set a bit in the shared
>    memory?) with a prefix "W"
> 4. Git process 2 reads the .pid file and waits for the "W" to go away
>    (what if index-helper is not fast enough to write the "W"?)
> 5. Git process 1 access the index, happily oblivious that it is being
>    updated and the data is in an inconsistent state

No, if process 1 reads the index file, then that file will remain
consistent/unchanged all the time. index-helper is not allowed to
touch that file at all.

The process 2 gets the index content from shm (cached by the index
helper), verifies that it's good (with the signature at the end of the
shm). If watchman is used, process 2 can also read the list of
modified files from another shm, combine it with the in-core index,
then write it down the normal way. Only then process 1 (or process 3)
can see the new index content from the file.

>> We should have protection in place to deal with this and fall back to
>> reading directly from file when things get suspicious.
>
> I really want to prevent that. I know of use cases where the index weighs
> 300MB, and falling back to reading it directly *really* hurts.

For crying out loud, what do you store in that repo? What I have in
mind for all these works are indexes in 10MB range, or maybe 50MB max.

Very unscientifically, git.git index is about 274kb and contains ~3000
entries, so 94 bytes per entry on average. With a 300MB index , the
extrapolated number of entries is about 3 millions! At around 1
million index entries, I think it's time to just use a database as
index.

>> But I agree that sending UNIX signals (or PostMessage) is not really
>> good communication.
>
> Yeah, I really would like two-way communication instead. Named pipes?
> They'd have the advantage that you could use the full path to the index as
> identifier.

Yep.

> The way I read the current code, we would actually create a different
> shared memory every time the index changes because its checksum is part of
> the shared memory's "path"...

Yep. shm objects are "immutable", pretty much like git objects. But
now that I think of it, I don't know how cheap/expensive shm creation
operation is on Windows.
-- 
Duy

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-03-18  0:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-09 18:36 [PATCH 00/19] index-helper, watchman David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 01/19] trace.c: add GIT_TRACE_PACK_STATS for pack usage statistics David Turner
2016-03-09 22:58   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-03-10  0:05     ` David Turner
2016-03-10 10:59       ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 02/19] read-cache.c: fix constness of verify_hdr() David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 03/19] read-cache: allow to keep mmap'd memory after reading David Turner
2016-03-09 23:02   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-03-10  0:09     ` David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 04/19] index-helper: new daemon for caching index and related stuff David Turner
2016-03-09 23:09   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-03-09 23:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-03-10  0:01       ` David Turner
2016-03-10 11:17       ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-10 20:22         ` David Turner
2016-03-11  1:11           ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-10  0:18     ` David Turner
2016-03-15 11:56     ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-15 15:56       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-03-15 11:52   ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 05/19] trace.c: add GIT_TRACE_INDEX_STATS for index statistics David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 06/19] index-helper: add --strict David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 07/19] daemonize(): set a flag before exiting the main process David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 08/19] index-helper: add --detach David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 09/19] index-helper: add Windows support David Turner
2016-03-16 11:42   ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-17 12:18     ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-03-17 12:59       ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 10/19] read-cache: add watchman 'WAMA' extension David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 11/19] Add watchman support to reduce index refresh cost David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 12/19] read-cache: allow index-helper to prepare shm before git reads it David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 13/19] index-helper: use watchman to avoid refreshing index with lstat() David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 14/19] update-index: enable/disable watchman support David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 15/19] unpack-trees: preserve index extensions David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 16/19] index-helper: rewrite pidfile after daemonizing David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 17/19] index-helper: process management David Turner
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 18/19] index-helper: autorun David Turner
2016-03-15 12:12   ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-15 14:26     ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-03-16 11:37       ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-16 18:11       ` David Turner
2016-03-16 18:27         ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-03-17 13:02           ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-17 14:43             ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-03-17 18:31               ` David Turner
2016-03-18  0:50               ` Duy Nguyen [this message]
2016-03-18  7:14                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-03-18  7:44                   ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-18 17:22                     ` David Turner
2016-03-18 23:09                       ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-18  7:17                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-03-18  7:34                   ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-18 15:57                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-03-09 18:36 ` [PATCH 19/19] hack: watchman/untracked cache mashup David Turner
2016-03-15 12:31   ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-17  0:56     ` David Turner
2016-03-17 13:06       ` Duy Nguyen
2016-03-17 18:08         ` David Turner
2016-03-29 17:09 ` [PATCH 00/19] index-helper, watchman Torsten Bögershausen
2016-03-29 21:51   ` David Turner

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