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From: James Denholm <nod.helm@gmail.com>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Sebastian Schuberth <sschuberth@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: What is missing from Git v2.0
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:06:57 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHYYfeFKW93GH+6-ssR5L_uoo3OL2-LFAsj-4+8uEmL0BhT3ow@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53588f448d817_59ed83d3084e@nysa.notmuch>

Felipe Contreras wrote:
>This is a false dichotomy; there aren't just two kinds
> of Git users.
>
> There is such a category of Git users who are not
> fresh-out-of-the-boat, yet not power users either.

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest a dichotomy of any kind. However these
are the two groups (I
suggest) are the most immediately relevant - one calls for change, and
the other would be negatively impacted.

> Unless the aliases are already there by default.

Others, with knowledge far beyond mine, have pointed out the problems
with this. I'd suggest the
argument most relevant to my own statements is how it impacts the
learning proccess, and makes it
more likely that users will learn aliases _as_ commands, which of
course is incorrect and
potentially harmful.

> And if default aliases were such a bad idea, why do
 most (all?) version control
 systems out there
> have them?

I'm so tempted just to sass and say that it's because they aren't git...

But on a more serious note, a feature (any feature) being in one vcs
doesn't mean, by default,
that it's right for git. The status quo may be a mistake on the part
of it's followers.

(And, historically, has been many times - for an
transculturally-acceptable example, consider the
rejection of Galileo's astronomical research by the Vatican of the time.)

Just because Mercurial et. all does something doesn't mean git needs
to, or even should. It needs
objective consideration, not to just be ushered through on the basis
of tradition.

--
James Denholm

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-24  6:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-20 22:41 What is missing from Git v2.0 Felipe Contreras
2014-04-20 22:47 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-21 19:24 ` Sebastian Schuberth
2014-04-21 19:34   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-21 19:47     ` Sebastian Schuberth
2014-04-21 20:45       ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-21 20:46         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-22  7:23           ` Sebastian Schuberth
2014-04-22  8:15             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-21 19:39   ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-22  7:19     ` Sebastian Schuberth
2014-04-22  8:11       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-22 18:33       ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-22 19:23         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-22 20:22           ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-22 21:01             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-22 22:19             ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-22 21:30           ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-22 21:59             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-22 22:24               ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24  3:35                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-24  5:18                   ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 13:39                   ` Andreas Krey
2014-04-24 18:31                     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-24 19:16                       ` David Kastrup
2014-04-22 22:25             ` David Lang
2014-04-24  3:37               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-24  3:51                 ` David Lang
2014-04-24  3:58                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-24  4:16                 ` James Denholm
2014-04-24  4:12                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-24  6:06                     ` James Denholm [this message]
2014-04-24  7:19                       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-24  7:39                         ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24  8:23                           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-24  9:01                             ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 18:28                               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-24 19:20                                 ` David Lang
2014-04-24 13:41                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-24 15:00                               ` Stefan Beller
2014-04-24 15:47                                 ` tytso
2014-04-24 17:46                                   ` Stefan Beller
2014-04-24 18:02                                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-24 18:26                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-24 19:15                                         ` Jeff King
2014-04-24 18:25                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-24 18:17                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-25  6:59                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-25  7:35                                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2014-04-24 18:38                               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-24 19:55                               ` luc.linux
2014-04-25  2:22                                 ` Javier Domingo Cansino
2014-04-25  2:35                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-25  7:48                                     ` Philippe Vaucher
2014-04-25  7:52                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-25 13:35                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-25 14:23                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2014-04-25 14:40                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-25 15:54                                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2014-04-25 17:50                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-25 17:45                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-25 18:24                                           ` Jeff King
2014-04-25 18:27                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-25 18:57                                               ` Jeff King
2014-04-25 18:57                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-25 19:12                                                   ` Jeff King
2014-04-25 19:27                                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-25  5:13                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-04-25 15:41                                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-25 15:59                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-04-25 16:14                                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-22 22:03         ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-24  3:26           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-22  2:12   ` brian m. carlson
2014-04-22  5:10     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-22  5:19 ` David Aguilar
2014-04-22  5:38   ` Felipe Contreras

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