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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
Cc: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 04/15] KVM: Implement ring-based dirty memory tracking
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 10:37:06 +0100
Message-ID: <224ef677-4f25-fb61-2450-b95816333876@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191207002904.GA29396@linux.intel.com>

On 07/12/19 01:29, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 11:05:47AM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> On 03/12/19 19:46, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>> Rather than reserve entries, what if vCPUs reserved an entire ring?  Create
>>> a pool of N=nr_vcpus rings that are shared by all vCPUs.  To mark pages
>>> dirty, a vCPU claims a ring, pushes the pages into the ring, and then
>>> returns the ring to the pool.  If pushing pages hits the soft limit, a
>>> request is made to drain the ring and the ring is not returned to the pool
>>> until it is drained.
>>>
>>> Except for acquiring a ring, which likely can be heavily optimized, that'd
>>> allow parallel processing (#1), and would provide a facsimile of #2 as
>>> pushing more pages onto a ring would naturally increase the likelihood of
>>> triggering a drain.  And it might be interesting to see the effect of using
>>> different methods of ring selection, e.g. pure round robin, LRU, last used
>>> on the current vCPU, etc...
>>
>> If you are creating nr_vcpus rings, and draining is done on the vCPU
>> thread that has filled the ring, why not create nr_vcpus+1?  The current
>> code then is exactly the same as pre-claiming a ring per vCPU and never
>> releasing it, and using a spinlock to claim the per-VM ring.
> 
> Because I really don't like kvm_get_running_vcpu() :-)

I also don't like it particularly, but I think it's okay to wrap it into
a nicer API.

> Binding the rings to vCPUs also makes for an inflexible API, e.g. the
> amount of memory required for the rings scales linearly with the number of
> vCPUs, or maybe there's a use case for having M:N vCPUs:rings.

If we can get rid of the dirty bitmap, the amount of memory is probably
going to be smaller anyway.  For example at 64k per ring, 256 rings
occupy 16 MiB of memory, and that is the cost of dirty bitmaps for 512
GiB of guest memory, and that's probably what you can expect for the
memory of a 256-vCPU guest (at least roughly: if the memory is 128 GiB,
the extra 12 MiB for dirty page rings don't really matter).

Paolo

> That being said, I'm pretty clueless when it comes to implementing and
> tuning the userspace side of this type of stuff, so feel free to ignore my
> thoughts on the API.
> 


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Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-29 21:34 [PATCH RFC 00/15] KVM: Dirty ring interface Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 01/15] KVM: Move running VCPU from ARM to common code Peter Xu
2019-12-03 19:01   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-04  9:42     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-09 22:05       ` Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 02/15] KVM: Add kvm/vcpu argument to mark_dirty_page_in_slot Peter Xu
2019-12-02 19:32   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 20:49     ` Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 03/15] KVM: Add build-time error check on kvm_run size Peter Xu
2019-12-02 19:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 20:53     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-02 22:19       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 22:40         ` Peter Xu
2019-12-03  5:50           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-03 13:41         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-03 17:04           ` Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 04/15] KVM: Implement ring-based dirty memory tracking Peter Xu
2019-12-02 20:10   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 21:16     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-02 21:50       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 23:09         ` Peter Xu
2019-12-03 13:48         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-03 18:46           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-04 10:05             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-07  0:29               ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-09  9:37                 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2019-12-09 21:54               ` Peter Xu
2019-12-10 10:07                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-10 15:52                   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-10 17:09                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-15 17:21                       ` Peter Xu
2019-12-16 10:08                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-16 18:54                           ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17  9:01                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-17 16:24                               ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17 16:28                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-18 21:58                                   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-18 22:24                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-18 22:37                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-18 22:49                                         ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17  2:28                           ` Tian, Kevin
2019-12-17 16:18                             ` Alex Williamson
2019-12-17 16:30                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-18  0:29                                 ` Tian, Kevin
     [not found]                           ` <AADFC41AFE54684AB9EE6CBC0274A5D19D645E5F@SHSMSX104.ccr.corp.intel.com>
2019-12-17  5:17                             ` Tian, Kevin
2019-12-17  5:25                               ` Yan Zhao
2019-12-17 16:24                                 ` Alex Williamson
2019-12-03 19:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-04 10:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-04 14:33       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-04 10:38   ` Jason Wang
2019-12-04 11:04     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-04 19:52       ` Peter Xu
2019-12-05  6:51         ` Jason Wang
2019-12-05 12:08           ` Peter Xu
2019-12-05 13:12             ` Jason Wang
2019-12-10 13:25       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-10 13:31         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-10 16:02           ` Peter Xu
2019-12-10 21:53             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-11  9:05               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-11 13:04                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-11 14:54                   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-10 21:48           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-11 12:53   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-11 14:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-11 20:59     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-11 22:57       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-12  0:08         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-12  7:36           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-12  8:12             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-12 10:38               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-15 17:33           ` Peter Xu
2019-12-16  9:47             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-16 15:07               ` Peter Xu
2019-12-16 15:33                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-16 15:47                   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-11 17:24   ` Christophe de Dinechin
2019-12-13 20:23     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-14  7:57       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-14 16:26         ` Peter Xu
2019-12-16  9:29           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-16 15:26             ` Peter Xu
2019-12-16 15:31               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-16 15:43                 ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17 12:16         ` Christophe de Dinechin
2019-12-17 12:19           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-17 15:38             ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17 16:31               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-17 16:42                 ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17 16:48                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-17 19:41                     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-18  0:33                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-18 16:32                         ` Peter Xu
2019-12-18 16:41                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-20 18:19       ` Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 05/15] KVM: Make dirty ring exclusive to dirty bitmap log Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 06/15] KVM: Introduce dirty ring wait queue Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 07/15] KVM: X86: Implement ring-based dirty memory tracking Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 08/15] KVM: selftests: Always clear dirty bitmap after iteration Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 09/15] KVM: selftests: Sync uapi/linux/kvm.h to tools/ Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 10/15] KVM: selftests: Use a single binary for dirty/clear log test Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 11/15] KVM: selftests: Introduce after_vcpu_run hook for dirty " Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 12/15] KVM: selftests: Add dirty ring buffer test Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 13/15] KVM: selftests: Let dirty_log_test async for dirty ring test Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 14/15] KVM: selftests: Add "-c" parameter to dirty log test Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 15/15] KVM: selftests: Test dirty ring waitqueue Peter Xu
2019-11-30  8:29 ` [PATCH RFC 00/15] KVM: Dirty ring interface Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-02  2:13   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-03 13:59     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-05 19:30       ` Peter Xu
2019-12-05 19:59         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-05 20:52           ` Peter Xu
2019-12-02 20:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 20:43     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-04 10:39 ` Jason Wang
2019-12-04 19:33   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-05  6:49     ` Jason Wang
2019-12-11 13:41 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2019-12-11 14:16   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-11 17:15     ` Peter Xu

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