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From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 19/19] Documentation: ACPI for ARM64
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:41:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3160422.qOzPuCmCVY@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140729102940.GB18250@cbox>

On Tuesday 29 July 2014 12:29:40 Christoffer Dall wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 09:44:59AM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:06:54AM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > 
> > > From the discussions at the last Linaro Connect, this was seen as
> > > important for virtual machines which want to provide ACPI services to
> > > guests while still being able to boot DT-only kernels. I'll leave it to
> > > Grant, Rob, and Christoffer to cover that.
> > 
> > Ok, waiting to see what they have to say then.
> > 
> 
> Hmm, a virtual machine implementaion may provide either a DT or ACPI (or
> both).  I think the point at Linaro Connect was that for a first cut,
> there is no obvious need to provide ACPI to VMs and to be spec
> compliant, server kernels must be able to boot with DT-only.  In most
> cases such systems will only access a few limited emulated devices
> (UART, GIC, RTC, flash controller) and VirtIO devices, which should just
> work using DT only.

Right

> People are talking about adding ACPI for VM guests as well for various
> reasons (device passthrough for example) in which case I would always
> expect people to run UEFI inside their guests too (perhaps this is not
> 100% true in the case of Xen fast-boot scenarios though) and I would
> expect Linux to only see the little stub DT and ACPI.
> 
> Does this clarify anything or add futher to the confusion?

I think the only reason that was given for ACPI in a virtual machine
was Red Hat's insistence on intentionally breaking DT support in their
enterprise distro.

I believe both the cases of device pass-through and running something
other than UEFI are outside of the scope of the standard virtual machine
model, for different reasons. Outside of that model, anybody is of course
free to run whatever they like in their guests.

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-29 10:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-24 13:00 [PATCH 00/19] Introduce ACPI for ARM64 based on ACPI 5.1 Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 01/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Get RSDP and ACPI boot-time tables Hanjun Guo
2014-07-28 18:29   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-07-28 22:49     ` Graeme Gregory
2014-07-29  8:49       ` Sudeep Holla
2014-07-29 13:08     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-29 13:50       ` Sudeep Holla
2014-07-29 14:07         ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-28 18:30   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 02/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Introduce early_param for "acpi" Hanjun Guo
2014-07-28 18:35   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-07-29 13:10     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 03/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Introduce lowlevel suspend function Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 15:34   ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-25 10:42     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-28 18:28   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-07-29 13:00     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 04/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Introduce arch_fix_phys_package_id() for cpu topology Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 14:43   ` Mark Brown
2014-07-25 10:32     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-28 18:51   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-08-01  6:35     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-08-01 10:48       ` Sudeep Holla
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 05/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Make PCI optional for ACPI on ARM64 Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 21:57   ` Naresh Bhat
2014-07-29 16:40   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 06/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Parse FADT table to get PSCI flags for PSCI init Hanjun Guo
2014-07-29 16:40   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-07-31  3:53     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-31  4:22   ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-31 10:23     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-08-20 15:02       ` Grant Likely
2014-08-20 15:00   ` Grant Likely
2014-08-20 15:29     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-20 15:43       ` graeme.gregory at linaro.org
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 07/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Parse MADT to map logical cpu to MPIDR and get cpu_possible/present_map Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 23:06   ` Naresh Bhat
2014-07-25 11:11     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-30 18:20   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-07-31  8:14     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-08-20 15:14   ` Grant Likely
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 08/19] ACPI / table: Print GIC information when MADT is parsed Hanjun Guo
2014-07-30 18:21   ` Sudeep Holla
2014-07-31  8:15     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 09/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Move the initialization of cpu_logical_map(0) before acpi_boot_init() Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 15:21   ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-25 10:39     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-25 12:18       ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 10/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Get the enable method for SMP initialization in ACPI way Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 15:47   ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-25 10:51     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-25 12:24       ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-29  8:12         ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-31  6:54   ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-31 10:57     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-08-04  9:56       ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-31 18:52   ` Geoff Levand
2014-08-01  6:49     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 11/19] ACPI / processor: Make it possible to get CPU hardware ID via GICC Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 12/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Introduce ACPI_IRQ_MODEL_GIC and register device's gsi Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 13/19] ACPI / table: Add new function to get table entries Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 14/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Add GICv2 specific ACPI boot support Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 15/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Parse GTDT to initialize arch timer Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 16/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Select ACPI_REDUCED_HARDWARE_ONLY if ACPI is enabled on ARM64 Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 17/19] ARM64 / ACPI: If we chose to boot from acpi then disable FDT Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 18/19] ARM64 / ACPI: Enable ARM64 in Kconfig Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 13:00 ` [PATCH 19/19] Documentation: ACPI for ARM64 Hanjun Guo
2014-07-24 20:42   ` Randy Dunlap
2014-07-25 10:55     ` Hanjun Guo
     [not found]   ` <CAFoFrHaWWxRPRYM5+bWj0tGnz05SokqwVGejUCUi+U-KChFBdQ@mail.gmail.com>
2014-07-24 21:19     ` Randy Dunlap
2014-07-29 10:07       ` Christoffer Dall
2014-07-27  2:34   ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-28  8:42     ` Graeme Gregory
2014-07-28 16:23       ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-28 17:44         ` Mark Brown
2014-07-28  9:07     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-28  9:23       ` Graeme Gregory
2014-07-28 10:46         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-28 14:20           ` Andre Przywara
2014-07-28 15:23             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-28 16:14               ` Andre Przywara
2014-07-29  9:17                 ` Graeme Gregory
2014-07-29 10:07                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-28 10:12       ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-28 16:33         ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-28 18:37           ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-28 18:44             ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-28 16:27       ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-28 17:00         ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-28 18:27           ` Olof Johansson
2014-08-12 18:23             ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-13 23:41               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-08-14  3:21                 ` Hanjun Guo
2014-08-14 10:27                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-14 20:53                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-15  1:02                       ` Olof Johansson
2014-08-15 19:49                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-15 23:19                           ` Mark Brown
2014-08-16 12:51                           ` graeme.gregory at linaro.org
2014-08-15  9:09                     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-08-15 10:01                       ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-18  9:29                         ` Hanjun Guo
2014-08-18 12:49                           ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-20 22:17                           ` Olof Johansson
2014-08-21  4:00                             ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-29  9:01       ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-28 10:06     ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-28 16:44       ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-28 17:36         ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-28 18:34           ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-29 10:29         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-07-29 10:41           ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-07-29 10:55           ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-29 11:28             ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-29 12:37               ` Christoffer Dall
2014-07-29 12:52                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-29 13:08                   ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-29 13:31                     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-07-29 14:04                       ` Mark Rutland
2014-07-29 14:41                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-29 15:01                         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-07-30  6:47                       ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-30  7:14                         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-07-30  9:36                           ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-29 13:33                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-07-29  7:58     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-07-29 10:30   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-08-15 22:43   ` Len Brown
2014-08-16 12:45     ` Graeme Gregory
2014-08-20 16:42   ` Grant Likely
2014-07-25  0:46 ` [PATCH 00/19] Introduce ACPI for ARM64 based on ACPI 5.1 Hanjun Guo

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