From: "Richard Guenther" <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
To: "Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Matthew Wilcox" <matthew@wil.cx>,
"Dirk Hohndel" <hohndel@infradead.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
"jim owens" <jowens@hp.com>,
"Chris Mason" <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
"Gregory Haskins" <ghaskins@novell.com>,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-btrfs <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>,
"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
"Nick Piggin" <npiggin@suse.de>,
"Peter Morreale" <pmorreale@novell.com>,
"Sven Dietrich" <SDietrich@novell.com>,
jh@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [patch] measurements, numbers about CONFIG_OPTIMIZE_INLINING=y impact
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:59:22 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <84fc9c000901091059v65265413wda053d3ce5b0d17a@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090109181952.GI26290@one.firstfloor.org>
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
>> So we do have special issues. And exactly _because_ we have special issues
>> we should also expect that some compiler defaults simply won't ever really
>> be appropriate for us.
>
> I agree that the kernel needs quite different inlining heuristics
> than let's say a template heavy C++ program. I guess that is
> also where our trouble comes from -- gcc is more tuned for the
> later. Perhaps because the C++ programmers are better at working
> with the gcc developers?
>
> But it's also not inconceivable that gcc adds a -fkernel-inlining or
> similar that changes the parameters if we ask nicely. I suppose
> actually such a parameter would be useful for far more programs
> than the kernel.
I think that the kernel is a perfect target to optimize default -Os behavior for
(whereas template heavy C++ programs are a target to optimize -O2 for).
And I think we did a good job in listening to kernel developers if once in
time they tried to talk to us - GCC 4.3 should be good in compiling the
kernel with default -Os settings. We, unfortunately, cannot retroactively
fix old versions that kernel developers happen to like and still use.
Richard.
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2008-12-31 11:28 Btrfs for mainline Chris Mason
2008-12-31 18:45 ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-31 23:19 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-02 16:37 ` Ryusuke Konishi
2009-01-02 18:06 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-02 19:38 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-03 9:44 ` Ryusuke Konishi
2009-01-05 14:14 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-05 16:43 ` Ryusuke Konishi
2009-01-05 10:32 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05 13:21 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-05 14:39 ` generic pagecache to block mapping layer (was Re: Btrfs for mainline) Nick Piggin
2009-01-05 16:37 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-05 17:10 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-06 17:20 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-02 19:05 ` Btrfs for mainline Andi Kleen
2009-01-02 19:32 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-02 21:01 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-02 21:35 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-02 22:26 ` Roland Dreier
2009-01-04 13:28 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-04 15:56 ` Ed Tomlinson
2009-01-05 10:07 ` Chris Samuel
2009-01-05 13:18 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-05 16:33 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 22:09 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-03 19:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-03 19:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-03 20:17 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-04 21:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-01-05 14:01 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-03 21:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-04 18:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-04 18:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-05 14:47 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05 16:23 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-05 16:30 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-07 13:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-07 13:24 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-07 14:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-06 11:40 ` [PATCH][RFC]: mutex: adaptive spin Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-06 12:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-06 12:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-06 15:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-06 13:10 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-01-06 13:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-06 13:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-06 14:15 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-01-06 21:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-06 21:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-06 21:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06 22:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-06 22:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06 22:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-06 22:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06 23:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06 23:09 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-07 0:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06 23:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 12:03 ` [PATCH -v4][RFC]: mutex: implement adaptive spinning Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 14:50 ` Frédéric Weisbecker
2009-01-07 14:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 15:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-07 15:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-07 15:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 16:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-07 16:57 ` [PATCH -v5][RFC]: " Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 18:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-07 20:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-07 20:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-07 21:09 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-07 21:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-07 21:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-07 21:47 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-07 21:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-07 21:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-07 21:39 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-07 22:28 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-01-07 22:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-07 22:51 ` Peter W. Morreale
2009-01-07 23:14 ` Peter W. Morreale
2009-01-07 22:56 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-01-07 23:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-07 23:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-07 23:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-07 23:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-07 23:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 3:28 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-01-08 7:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 23:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-07 23:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 3:27 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-01-08 3:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-08 4:00 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-01-07 23:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-07 21:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-07 21:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 21:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-07 22:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-07 22:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 23:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 9:58 ` [PATCH -v6][RFC]: " Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-08 14:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-08 14:33 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-01-08 14:46 ` [PATCH -v7][RFC]: " Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-08 15:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-08 15:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-08 15:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-08 15:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-08 15:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-08 16:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 16:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 17:08 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-08 17:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-08 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 18:03 ` Steven Rostedt
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2009-01-08 18:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-08 19:17 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-08 19:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-08 18:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 18:27 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-08 19:02 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-08 19:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 19:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-09 17:40 ` Jiri Kosina
2009-01-09 9:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-10 23:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-01-08 19:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 20:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-09 10:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-09 15:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-09 15:11 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-09 15:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-09 16:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-09 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-09 16:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-09 18:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-09 18:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 18:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 18:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-08 18:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-09 3:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-09 4:59 ` David Miller
2009-01-09 5:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-09 13:00 ` [patch] measurements, numbers about CONFIG_OPTIMIZE_INLINING=y impact Ingo Molnar
2009-01-09 14:03 ` jim owens
2009-01-09 15:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-09 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-09 19:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-10 8:55 ` Chris Samuel
2009-01-09 20:17 ` Nicholas Miell
2009-01-09 20:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-09 23:28 ` Nicholas Miell
2009-01-10 0:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-10 0:37 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-10 0:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-10 1:08 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-10 2:12 ` Nicholas Miell
2009-01-10 4:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-10 6:44 ` Nicholas Miell
2009-01-09 20:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-09 16:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-09 16:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-09 16:47 ` Dirk Hohndel
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2009-01-09 16:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-09 17:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-09 17:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-09 17:32 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-09 17:20 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-09 17:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-09 17:46 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-09 17:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-09 17:47 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-09 17:39 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-09 17:54 ` Linus Torvalds
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2009-01-07 23:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-07 23:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-08 2:18 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-01-08 2:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-08 2:49 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-01-08 6:52 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-08 14:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-08 14:45 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-07 21:37 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-07 21:35 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-07 17:20 ` [PATCH -v4][RFC]: " Chris Mason
2009-01-07 17:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-07 18:00 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-07 3:57 ` [PATCH][RFC]: mutex: adaptive spin Lai Jiangshan
2009-01-07 6:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 7:34 ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-01-07 13:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-06 22:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
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2009-01-06 16:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06 16:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-01-06 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06 16:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06 17:02 ` Ingo Molnar
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2009-01-06 16:19 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-10 17:52 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-06 13:29 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-06 16:23 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-06 17:08 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-06 17:37 ` Steven Rostedt
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