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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>, Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
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	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
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	x86@kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.ibm.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv7 02/14] mm: Add support for unaccepted memory
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 14:09:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cb9d3310-3bc0-8ecf-5e71-becce980235f@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8cf143e7-2b62-1a1e-de84-e3dcc6c027a4@suse.cz>

On 05.08.22 13:49, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 6/14/22 14:02, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
>> UEFI Specification version 2.9 introduces the concept of memory
>> acceptance. Some Virtual Machine platforms, such as Intel TDX or AMD
>> SEV-SNP, require memory to be accepted before it can be used by the
>> guest. Accepting happens via a protocol specific to the Virtual Machine
>> platform.
>>
>> There are several ways kernel can deal with unaccepted memory:
>>
>>  1. Accept all the memory during the boot. It is easy to implement and
>>     it doesn't have runtime cost once the system is booted. The downside
>>     is very long boot time.
>>
>>     Accept can be parallelized to multiple CPUs to keep it manageable
>>     (i.e. via DEFERRED_STRUCT_PAGE_INIT), but it tends to saturate
>>     memory bandwidth and does not scale beyond the point.
>>
>>  2. Accept a block of memory on the first use. It requires more
>>     infrastructure and changes in page allocator to make it work, but
>>     it provides good boot time.
>>
>>     On-demand memory accept means latency spikes every time kernel steps
>>     onto a new memory block. The spikes will go away once workload data
>>     set size gets stabilized or all memory gets accepted.
>>
>>  3. Accept all memory in background. Introduce a thread (or multiple)
>>     that gets memory accepted proactively. It will minimize time the
>>     system experience latency spikes on memory allocation while keeping
>>     low boot time.
>>
>>     This approach cannot function on its own. It is an extension of #2:
>>     background memory acceptance requires functional scheduler, but the
>>     page allocator may need to tap into unaccepted memory before that.
>>
>>     The downside of the approach is that these threads also steal CPU
>>     cycles and memory bandwidth from the user's workload and may hurt
>>     user experience.
>>
>> Implement #2 for now. It is a reasonable default. Some workloads may
>> want to use #1 or #3 and they can be implemented later based on user's
>> demands.
>>
>> Support of unaccepted memory requires a few changes in core-mm code:
>>
>>   - memblock has to accept memory on allocation;
>>
>>   - page allocator has to accept memory on the first allocation of the
>>     page;
>>
>> Memblock change is trivial.
>>
>> The page allocator is modified to accept pages on the first allocation.
>> The new page type (encoded in the _mapcount) -- PageUnaccepted() -- is
>> used to indicate that the page requires acceptance.
>>
>> Architecture has to provide two helpers if it wants to support
>> unaccepted memory:
>>
>>  - accept_memory() makes a range of physical addresses accepted.
>>
>>  - range_contains_unaccepted_memory() checks anything within the range
>>    of physical addresses requires acceptance.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Kirill A. Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
>> Acked-by: Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.ibm.com>	# memblock
>> Reviewed-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> 
> Hmm I realize it's not ideal to raise this at v7, and maybe it was discussed
> before, but it's really not great how this affects the core page allocator
> paths. Wouldn't it be possible to only release pages to page allocator when
> accepted, and otherwise use some new per-zone variables together with the
> bitmap to track how much exactly is where to accept? Then it could be hooked
> in get_page_from_freelist() similarly to CONFIG_DEFERRED_STRUCT_PAGE_INIT -
> if we fail zone_watermark_fast() and there are unaccepted pages in the zone,
> accept them and continue. With a static key to flip in case we eventually
> accept everything. Because this is really similar scenario to the deferred
> init and that one was solved in a way that adds minimal overhead.

I kind of like just having the memory stats being correct (e.g., free
memory) and acceptance being an internal detail to be triggered when
allocating pages -- just like the arch_alloc_page() callback.

I'm sure we could optimize for the !unaccepted memory via static keys
also in this version with some checks at the right places if we find
this to hurt performance?

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-05 12:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-14 12:02 [PATCHv7 00/14] mm, x86/cc: Implement support for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 01/14] x86/boot: Centralize __pa()/__va() definitions Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:37   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 02/14] mm: Add support for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:57   ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-06-17 19:28   ` Tom Lendacky
2022-06-17 20:53     ` Tom Lendacky
2022-07-21 15:14   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-21 15:49     ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-22 19:18       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-22 19:30         ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-25 12:23           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-25 12:38             ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-25 12:53               ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-26 14:30                 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-25 13:00             ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-25 13:05               ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-05 11:49   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-05 12:09     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2022-08-05 13:38       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-05 14:22         ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-05 14:53           ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-05 14:41         ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-05 18:17           ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-08 15:55             ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-10 14:19     ` Mel Gorman
2022-08-15 21:08       ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-15 22:02         ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-29 16:02           ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-29 16:19             ` Dave Hansen
2022-09-06 17:50               ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-09-08 12:11                 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-09-08 16:23                   ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-09-08 19:28                     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-09-22 14:31                       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-09-24  1:03                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-24  9:36                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-09-26 12:10                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-26 13:38                             ` Tom Lendacky
2022-09-26 15:42                               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-26 15:42                               ` Tom Lendacky
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 03/14] mm: Report unaccepted memory in meminfo Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26 14:33   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 04/14] efi/x86: Get full memory map in allocate_e820() Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-25 13:02   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 05/14] x86/boot: Add infrastructure required for unaccepted memory support Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-15 10:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-06-15 15:05     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-17 17:16       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-25 21:33   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 06/14] efi/x86: Implement support for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-22 19:58   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26  8:35   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 07/14] x86/boot/compressed: Handle " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 08/14] x86/mm: Reserve unaccepted memory bitmap Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26  9:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-30  1:28     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-12-01  9:37       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-12-01 13:47         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 09/14] x86/mm: Provide helpers for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 10/14] x86/mm: Avoid load_unaligned_zeropad() stepping into " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:19   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26 10:21   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-02 23:46     ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-03 14:02       ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-11 11:26         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-13 16:11           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-13 21:13             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-13 16:04         ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-13 20:58           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26 17:25   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-26 17:46     ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26 20:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-09 11:38     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-13 16:03       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-13 21:02         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 11/14] x86: Disable kexec if system has " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:23   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-23 21:48     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-24  2:00       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-28 23:51         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-29  0:10           ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-29  0:59             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-04  7:18               ` Dave Young
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 12/14] x86/tdx: Make _tdx_hypercall() and __tdx_module_call() available in boot stub Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:25   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 13/14] x86/tdx: Refactor try_accept_one() Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:31   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26 10:58   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 14/14] x86/tdx: Add unaccepted memory support Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-24 16:22   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-27 10:42     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26 14:51   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-09 11:45     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-10 10:27       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-24 16:37 ` [PATCHv7 00/14] mm, x86/cc: Implement support for unaccepted memory Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 16:57   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 17:06     ` Marc Orr
2022-06-24 17:09       ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 17:15         ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 17:19         ` Marc Orr
2022-06-24 17:21           ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 17:47           ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 18:10             ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 18:13               ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 17:40   ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24 17:58     ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24 18:05     ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-27 11:30   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-27 11:54     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-06-27 12:22       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-27 16:17         ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-27 16:33           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-06-27 22:38             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-28 17:17               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-18 17:21                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-18 23:32                   ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-07-19  0:31                     ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-07-19 18:29                       ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-07-19 19:13                         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-19 20:45                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-19 21:23                             ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-19 21:35                               ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-19 21:50                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-19 22:01                                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-19 22:02                                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-19 22:08                                     ` Tom Lendacky
2022-07-20  0:26                                     ` Marc Orr
2022-07-20  5:44                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-20 17:03                                         ` Marc Orr
2022-07-22 15:07                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-21 17:12                                       ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-23 11:14                                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-28 22:01                                           ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-09 11:14                                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-09 11:36                                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-08-09 11:54                                               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-09 21:09                                                 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-07-19  2:48                     ` Yao, Jiewen

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