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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, CAI Qian <caiqian@redhat.com>,
	linux-xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/11] splice: lift pipe_lock out of splice_to_pipe()
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 21:10:25 +0100
Message-ID: <20160923201025.GJ2356@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFxzPH2AYvDVWSAomO6bN_sW4+qDv87Xbq8XHMyvBEYe+w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:45:53PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> I was like "oh, I'm sure this is some temporary hack, it will be gone
> by the end of the series".
> 
> It wasn't gone by the end.
> 
> There's two copies of that pattern, and at the very least it needs a
> big comment about what this pattern does and why.

The thing is, I'm not sure what to do with it; it was brought by the LTP
vmsplice test, which asks to feed 128Kb into a pipe.  With the caller
itself on the other end of that pipe, SPLICE_F_NONBLOCK *not* given and
the pipe capacity being 64Kb.  Unfortunately, "quietly truncate the
length down to 64Kb" does *not* suffice - the damn thing starts not at
the page boundary, so we only copy about 62Kb until hitting the pipe
overflow (the pipe is initially empty).  The reason why it doesn't go
to sleep indefinitely on the mainline kernel is that mainline collects
up to page->buffers *pages*, before feeding them into the pipe.  And these
~62Kb are just that.  Note that had there been anything already in the
pipe, the same call would've gone to sleep (and in the end transferred the
same ~62Kb worth of data).

All of that is completely undocumented in vmsplice(2) (or anywhere else that
I'd been able to find) ;-/

OTOH, considering the quality of documentation, I'm somewhat tempted to go
for "sleep only if it had been completely full when we entered; once there's
some space feed as much as fits and be done with that".  OTTH, I'm not sure
that no userland cr^Hode will manage to be hurt by that variant...

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2016-09-18  5:33                   ` xfs_file_splice_read: possible circular locking dependency detected Al Viro
2016-09-19  3:08                     ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-19  6:11                       ` Al Viro
2016-09-19  7:26                         ` Nicholas Piggin
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2016-09-18 19:31                         ` skb_splice_bits() and large chunks in pipe (was " Al Viro
2016-09-18 20:12                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-18 22:31                             ` Al Viro
2016-09-19  0:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-23 19:00                         ` [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:01                           ` [PATCH 01/11] fix memory leaks in tracing_buffers_splice_read() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:02                           ` [PATCH 02/11] splice_to_pipe(): don't open-code wakeup_pipe_readers() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:02                           ` [PATCH 03/11] splice: switch get_iovec_page_array() to iov_iter Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:03                           ` [PATCH 04/11] splice: lift pipe_lock out of splice_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:45                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-23 20:10                               ` Al Viro [this message]
2016-09-23 20:36                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-24  3:59                                   ` Al Viro
2016-09-24 17:29                                     ` Al Viro
2016-09-27 15:38                                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-27 15:53                                       ` Chuck Lever
2016-09-24  3:59                                   ` [PATCH 04/12] " Al Viro
2016-09-26 13:35                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-27  4:14                                       ` Al Viro
2016-12-17 19:54                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-18 19:28                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-18 19:57                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-18 20:12                                         ` Al Viro
2016-12-18 20:30                                           ` Al Viro
2016-12-18 22:10                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-18 22:18                                               ` Al Viro
2016-12-18 22:22                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-18 22:49                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-21 18:56                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-21 19:12                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-24  4:00                                   ` [PATCH 06/12] new helper: add_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-26 13:49                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-24  4:01                                   ` [PATCH 10/12] new iov_iter flavour: pipe-backed Al Viro
2016-09-29 20:53                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-29 22:50                                       ` Al Viro
2016-09-30  7:30                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-10-03  3:34                                           ` [RFC] O_DIRECT vs EFAULT (was Re: [PATCH 10/12] new iov_iter flavour: pipe-backed) Al Viro
2016-10-03 17:07                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-03 18:54                                               ` Al Viro
2016-09-24  4:01                                   ` [PATCH 11/12] switch generic_file_splice_read() to use of ->read_iter() Al Viro
2016-09-24  4:02                                   ` [PATCH 12/12] switch default_file_splice_read() to use of pipe-backed iov_iter Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:03                           ` [PATCH 05/11] skb_splice_bits(): get rid of callback Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:04                           ` [PATCH 06/11] new helper: add_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:04                           ` [PATCH 07/11] fuse_dev_splice_read(): switch to add_to_pipe() Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:06                           ` [PATCH 08/11] cifs: don't use memcpy() to copy struct iov_iter Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:08                           ` [PATCH 09/11] fuse_ioctl_copy_user(): don't open-code copy_page_{to,from}_iter() Al Viro
2016-09-26  9:31                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-09-23 19:09                           ` [PATCH 10/11] new iov_iter flavour: pipe-backed Al Viro
2016-09-23 19:10                           ` [PATCH 11/11] switch generic_file_splice_read() to use of ->read_iter() Al Viro
2016-09-30 13:32                           ` [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked CAI Qian
2016-09-30 17:42                             ` CAI Qian
2016-09-30 18:33                               ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03  1:37                                 ` Al Viro
2016-10-03 17:49                                   ` CAI Qian
2016-10-04 17:39                                     ` local DoS - systemd hang or timeout (WAS: Re: [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked) CAI Qian
2016-10-04 21:42                                       ` tj
2016-10-05 14:09                                         ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 15:30                                           ` tj
2016-10-05 15:54                                             ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 18:57                                               ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 20:05                                                 ` Al Viro
2016-10-06 12:20                                                   ` CAI Qian
2016-10-06 12:25                                                     ` CAI Qian
2016-10-06 16:11                                                       ` CAI Qian
2016-10-06 17:00                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-06 18:12                                                           ` CAI Qian
2016-10-07  9:57                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-07 15:25                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-07  7:08                                                       ` Jan Kara
2016-10-07 14:43                                                         ` CAI Qian
2016-10-07 15:27                                                           ` CAI Qian
2016-10-07 18:56                                                             ` CAI Qian
2016-10-09 21:54                                                               ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-10 14:10                                                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-10 20:14                                                                   ` CAI Qian
2016-10-10 21:57                                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-12 19:50                                                                     ` [bisected] " CAI Qian
2016-10-12 20:59                                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-13 16:25                                                                         ` CAI Qian
2016-10-13 20:49                                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-13 20:56                                                                             ` CAI Qian
2016-10-09 21:51                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-21 15:38                                                         ` [4.9-rc1+] overlayfs lockdep CAI Qian
2016-10-24 12:57                                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-10-07  9:27                                                     ` local DoS - systemd hang or timeout (WAS: Re: [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked) Dave Chinner
2016-10-03  1:42                               ` [RFC][CFT] splice_read reworked Al Viro
2016-10-03 14:06                                 ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 15:20                                   ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 21:12                                     ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-04 13:57                                       ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 20:32                                   ` CAI Qian
2016-10-03 20:35                                     ` Al Viro
2016-10-04 13:29                                       ` CAI Qian
2016-10-04 14:28                                         ` Al Viro
2016-10-04 16:21                                           ` CAI Qian
2016-10-04 20:12                                             ` Al Viro
2016-10-05 14:30                                               ` CAI Qian
2016-10-05 16:07                                                 ` Al Viro
2016-09-19  0:22 skb_splice_bits() and large chunks in pipe (was Re: xfs_file_splice_read: possible circular locking dependency detected Al Viro
2016-09-20  9:51 ` Herbert Xu

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