RE: [linux-lvm] LVM viewer / manager APP

RE: [linux-lvm] LVM viewer / manager APP

[Shawn Ferris]

I tend to agree. In shops where volumes are fairly minimal it might be nice.
In one of my oracle shops however, we used raw and ended up with well over
5k volumes defined. VERY, VERY messy with this GUI. Although, when dealing
with this many objects, any GUI is going to be a bit clunky. I use command
line in every case anyway, so this isn't really targeting me either. 8)

my $.02
Shawn M Ferris
Oracle DBA - Time Warner Telecom 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Jakma [mailto:paul@clubi.ie]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 4:47 PM
> To: Ragnar Kjørstad
> Cc: linux-lvm@msede.com
> Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] LVM viewer / manager APP
> 
> 
> Is this the Veritas LVM/Veritas vxfs GUI thingy?
> 
> To whoever is writing the linux LVM gui:
> 
> Please please look very carefully at those screenshots. Then make
> sure yours looks nothing like it. The Veritas GUI (as i've
> experienced it in Unixware 7) is the worst POS ever.
> 
> I had a course in Unixware and even the instructor couldn't get it to
> work. (and he knew his stuff).
> 
> yuk.. please avoid it like the plague.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Ragnar Kjørstad wrote:
> 
>   Hi
>   
>   I made some screenshots of vxva available at
>   http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~ragnarkj/download/vxva
>   
>   
>   
> 
> -- 
> Paul Jakma	paul@clubi.ie
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> Minister worthy of
> assassination.
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> 

Re: [linux-lvm] LVM viewer / manager APP

[bert hubert]

On Thu, Apr 13, 2000 at 06:29:34AM -0700, Tracy R Reed wrote:

> Hopefully one of these GUI apps can one day be used in a distributions GUI
> install process and we can have nice LVM disk management from day 1. It
> appears that there are two GUI's being worked on, is that correct? Is it
> necessary?

I'm not aware of the other one. I currently have two projects, one is the
stabelising of the lvm-viewer/lvm-manager, which currently has more features
than stability.

The other project is a a way to convert a filesystem 'in place' to a volume
group.

A third project could be to research if it is possible to get the Linux
kernel to boot from a logical volume, without using initrd.

Help is welcome!

Regards,


bert hubert.

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RE: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[Paul Jakma]

On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Christopher Briggs wrote:

  I know this is a old thread, but you are correct.  From what I understand,
  veritas has been allowing SUN to package their VM product. 

a lot of Unix vendors LVM implementations are OEM Veritas or based on
code licenced from Veritas. eg UnixWare, Digital Unix, Solaris are
ones i'm sure of.

regards,
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Re: [linux-lvm] LVM viewer / manager APP

[Tracy R Reed]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 11:46:56PM +0100, Paul Jakma wrote:
> Please please look very carefully at those screenshots. Then make
> sure yours looks nothing like it. The Veritas GUI (as i've
> experienced it in Unixware 7) is the worst POS ever.

I must agree. I was upgrading our Solaris mail server last night and spent
hours and hours (until 4am) screwing with the Veritas VMSA GUI. And this is
the almost latest version Java GUI. Eventually I gave up because it was slow,
non-intuitive, and merely system()'s off comand-line commands anyhow. I
started learning the command line stuff and now I am much better off for it.

However, I must admit that Veritas tech support is darn good. They always
answer my somewhat complicated questions quite well and were very responsive.
But for the amount we pay as a big corporate customer, they darn well better!
Now I get especially irritated when I get crummy bonehead support at home as
an ordinary user.

Hopefully one of these GUI apps can one day be used in a distributions GUI
install process and we can have nice LVM disk management from day 1. It
appears that there are two GUI's being worked on, is that correct? Is it
necessary?

--
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RE: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[Christopher Briggs]

I know this is a old thread, but you are correct.  From what I understand,
veritas has been allowing SUN to package their VM product.  From my
experience, it has been included automatically with anything that has a
StorEdge/Enterprise array attached.  Like any vendor related relationship,
it is headed toward separation from what I hear.

Christopher Briggs.



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-linux-lvm@msede.com [mailto:owner-linux-lvm@msede.com]On
Behalf Of Peter C. Norton
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 5:39 PM
To: linux-lvm@msede.com
Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app


I believe that the SEVM is a repackaging of the veritas volume manager,
which is a GUI that is very difficult to use when a lot of physical disks or
volumes are installed (> 30 or so).

-Peter

On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 02:07:47PM +0200, Jos Visser wrote:
> To get a complete view of what the SEVM user interface looks like, Check
> out:
>
>
http://docs.sun.com:80/ab2/@LegacyTocView?toc=SUNWab_161_1%3A%2Fsafedir%2Fsp
ace3%2Fcoll2%2FSUNW2sevm%2Ftoc%2FETPUG%3A1122%3Aclose;bt=Sun+Enterprise+2.5+
Users+Guide&Ab2Lang=C&Ab2Enc=iso-8859-1
>
> This rather lengthy URL points to the Sun Enterprise Volume Manager 2.5
> User Guide on the SUN documentation web site. It contains various screen
> and form dumps.
>
> ++Jos
>
> bert hubert wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 08:51:34AM +0200, Jos Visser wrote:
> >
> > > Regarding visual interfaces for volume managers, my all-time favorite
is
> > > the Veritas Visual Volume Administrator VXVA. I'll see if I can dig up
a
> > > few screenshots. Mind you, the new version of the volume administrator
> >
> > Please do. I am currently reimplementing the tool in C (it used to be in
> > perl).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > bert hubert.
> >
> > --
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>
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> So use that grey mass and See!
>
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>  ___) | (_| | | | |  __/  / __/| |_| | |_| | |_| |
> |____/ \__,_|_| |_|\___| |_____|\___/ \___/ \___/
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Re: [linux-lvm] LVM viewer / manager APP

[Ragnar Kjørstad]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 11:46:56PM +0100, Paul Jakma wrote:
> Is this the Veritas LVM/Veritas vxfs GUI thingy?

Yes, it's vxva for Veritas Volum-Manager 2.5 for Solaris.

> To whoever is writing the linux LVM gui:
> 
> Please please look very carefully at those screenshots. Then make
> sure yours looks nothing like it. The Veritas GUI (as i've
> experienced it in Unixware 7) is the worst POS ever.

hehe. Well, the vxva GUI is (IMHO) more fancy than functional.... and
it's not that fancy :-)

Still, maybe some good things can be learned from it...


-- 
Ragnar Kj�rstad

Re: [linux-lvm] LVM viewer / manager APP

[Paul Jakma]

Is this the Veritas LVM/Veritas vxfs GUI thingy?

To whoever is writing the linux LVM gui:

Please please look very carefully at those screenshots. Then make
sure yours looks nothing like it. The Veritas GUI (as i've
experienced it in Unixware 7) is the worst POS ever.

I had a course in Unixware and even the instructor couldn't get it to
work. (and he knew his stuff).

yuk.. please avoid it like the plague.


On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Ragnar Kj�rstad wrote:

  Hi
  
  I made some screenshots of vxva available at
  http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~ragnarkj/download/vxva
  
  
  

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Re: [linux-lvm] LVM viewer / manager APP

[Michael Marxmeier]

Forwarded message from Oscar Wahlberg (oscar.wahlberg@connecta.se) ...

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:47:14 +0200
From: Oscar Wahlberg <oscar.wahlberg@connecta.se>
Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] LVM viewer / manager APP
Message-ID: <20000412214714.B7382@irg.canit.se>
Reply-To: Oscar Wahlberg <oscar.wahlberg@connecta.se>
References: <20000412205600.B21004@vestdata.no>
In-Reply-To: <20000412205600.B21004@vestdata.no>; from
lvm@ragnark.vestdata.no on Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 08:56:00PM +0200


I'll try to find time to take simular screenshots for the newer vmsa. 
The interface is change quite dramatically and personally I think it
is an
improvement. 


Quoting Ragnar Kj�rstad <lvm@ragnark.vestdata.no>:
> Hi
> 
> I made some screenshots of vxva available at
> http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~ragnarkj/download/vxva
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ragnar Kj�rstad

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as 'users'." --Edward Tufte

Re: [linux-lvm] LVM viewer / manager APP

[bert hubert]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 08:56:00PM +0200, Ragnar Kj�rstad wrote:

> I made some screenshots of vxva available at
> http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~ragnarkj/download/vxva

I'm not sure what to think. On one hand it is visual and it gives an
indication of relative size. On the other hand, I don't understand what it
means. Especially the 'worldview' thing is obscure.

I currently intend to stick with the Column Tree display, as shown on
http://ds9a.nl/lvm-howto/screenshot.gif

Depending on what row you selected, different buttons appear. 

Thanks for your screenshots!

Regards,

bert hubert.

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[linux-lvm] LVM viewer / manager APP

[Ragnar Kjørstad]

Hi

I made some screenshots of vxva available at
http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~ragnarkj/download/vxva


-- 
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Re: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[bert hubert]

On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 02:38:46PM -0700, Peter C. Norton wrote:
> I believe that the SEVM is a repackaging of the veritas volume manager,
> which is a GUI that is very difficult to use when a lot of physical disks or
> volumes are installed (> 30 or so).

I'll try to keep that in mind. The application is progressing rapidly by the
way, I hope to release 0.2 somewhere tomorrow.

New features are:

	An 'unused physical volumes' node in the tree
	Drag-and-drop of those volumes to volume groups
	Dragging volumes away from volume groups
	Incremental scanning - quick startup

Regards,

bert hubert.

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Re: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[Peter C. Norton]

I believe that the SEVM is a repackaging of the veritas volume manager,
which is a GUI that is very difficult to use when a lot of physical disks or
volumes are installed (> 30 or so).

-Peter

On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 02:07:47PM +0200, Jos Visser wrote:
> To get a complete view of what the SEVM user interface looks like, Check
> out:
> 
> http://docs.sun.com:80/ab2/@LegacyTocView?toc=SUNWab_161_1%3A%2Fsafedir%2Fspace3%2Fcoll2%2FSUNW2sevm%2Ftoc%2FETPUG%3A1122%3Aclose;bt=Sun+Enterprise+2.5+Users+Guide&Ab2Lang=C&Ab2Enc=iso-8859-1
> 
> This rather lengthy URL points to the Sun Enterprise Volume Manager 2.5
> User Guide on the SUN documentation web site. It contains various screen
> and form dumps.
> 
> ++Jos
> 
> bert hubert wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 08:51:34AM +0200, Jos Visser wrote:
> > 
> > > Regarding visual interfaces for volume managers, my all-time favorite is
> > > the Veritas Visual Volume Administrator VXVA. I'll see if I can dig up a
> > > few screenshots. Mind you, the new version of the volume administrator
> > 
> > Please do. I am currently reimplementing the tool in C (it used to be in
> > perl).
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > bert hubert.
> > 
> > --
> >                        |              http://www.rent-a-nerd.nl
> >                        |
> >                        |                     - U N I X -
> >                        |          Inspice et cautus eris - D11T'95
> 
> -- 
> God gave us eyes so that we could watch and brains so we could see.
> So use that grey mass and See!
>  
> For instance see it at:
>  ____                     ____   ___   ___   ___  
> / ___|  __ _ _ __   ___  |___ \ / _ \ / _ \ / _ \ 
> \___ \ / _` | '_ \ / _ \   __) | | | | | | | | | |
>  ___) | (_| | | | |  __/  / __/| |_| | |_| | |_| |
> |____/ \__,_|_| |_|\___| |_____|\___/ \___/ \___/ 
>              http://www.nluug.nl/sane
> 
> Public safety message: Dihydrogen Monoxide kills! 
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Re: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[Terje Kvernes]

bert hubert <ahu@ds9a.nl> writes:

> On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 12:52:25AM +0200, Terje Kvernes wrote:
> 
> > > Please do. I am currently reimplementing the tool in C (it used
> > > to be in perl).
> > 
> > umh, no to start a flame, but wjy?
> 
> The main reason is that if I write it in perl you need:
> 
> 	gtk+
> 	perlgtk+
> 	libxml
> 	perl libxml
> 	perl
> 	libglade
> 	perl libglade
> 
> These may not be available everywhere, to say the least.

hm. true. OTOH maybe they should. ;)

> Also, I can't make a static version.

yup. I'm convinced.
 
> Another important reason is that I like C better.

*boggle*

well, you're the man behind the wheel. guess you should write programs
in whatever makes you happy. ;)

-- 
Terje

Re: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[Jos Visser]

To get a complete view of what the SEVM user interface looks like, Check
out:

http://docs.sun.com:80/ab2/@LegacyTocView?toc=SUNWab_161_1%3A%2Fsafedir%2Fspace3%2Fcoll2%2FSUNW2sevm%2Ftoc%2FETPUG%3A1122%3Aclose;bt=Sun+Enterprise+2.5+Users+Guide&Ab2Lang=C&Ab2Enc=iso-8859-1

This rather lengthy URL points to the Sun Enterprise Volume Manager 2.5
User Guide on the SUN documentation web site. It contains various screen
and form dumps.

++Jos

bert hubert wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 08:51:34AM +0200, Jos Visser wrote:
> 
> > Regarding visual interfaces for volume managers, my all-time favorite is
> > the Veritas Visual Volume Administrator VXVA. I'll see if I can dig up a
> > few screenshots. Mind you, the new version of the volume administrator
> 
> Please do. I am currently reimplementing the tool in C (it used to be in
> perl).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> bert hubert.
> 
> --
>                        |              http://www.rent-a-nerd.nl
>                        |
>                        |                     - U N I X -
>                        |          Inspice et cautus eris - D11T'95

-- 
God gave us eyes so that we could watch and brains so we could see.
So use that grey mass and See!
 
For instance see it at:
 ____                     ____   ___   ___   ___  
/ ___|  __ _ _ __   ___  |___ \ / _ \ / _ \ / _ \ 
\___ \ / _` | '_ \ / _ \   __) | | | | | | | | | |
 ___) | (_| | | | |  __/  / __/| |_| | |_| | |_| |
|____/ \__,_|_| |_|\___| |_____|\___/ \___/ \___/ 
             http://www.nluug.nl/sane

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Re: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[bert hubert]

On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 12:52:25AM +0200, Terje Kvernes wrote:

> > Please do. I am currently reimplementing the tool in C (it used to
> > be in perl).
> 
> umh, no to start a flame, but wjy?

The main reason is that if I write it in perl you need:

	gtk+
	perlgtk+
	libxml
	perl libxml
	perl
	libglade
	perl libglade

These may not be available everywhere, to say the least. Also, I can't make a static version.

Another important reason is that I like C better. 

Regards,

bert hubert.

-- 
                       |              http://www.rent-a-nerd.nl
                       |                     - U N I X -
                       |          Inspice et cautus eris - D11T'95

Re: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[Terje Kvernes]

bert hubert <ahu@ds9a.nl> writes:

> On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 08:51:34AM +0200, Jos Visser wrote:
> 
> > Regarding visual interfaces for volume managers, my all-time
> > favorite is the Veritas Visual Volume Administrator VXVA. I'll see
> > if I can dig up a few screenshots. Mind you, the new version of
> > the volume administrator
> 
> Please do. I am currently reimplementing the tool in C (it used to
> be in perl).

umh, no to start a flame, but wjy?
 
,-)

-- 
Terje - who had a bit of a hassle getting LVM to build. hoping for
        better luck when I get new hardware.

Re: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[bert hubert]

On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 08:51:34AM +0200, Jos Visser wrote:

> Regarding visual interfaces for volume managers, my all-time favorite is
> the Veritas Visual Volume Administrator VXVA. I'll see if I can dig up a
> few screenshots. Mind you, the new version of the volume administrator

Please do. I am currently reimplementing the tool in C (it used to be in
perl).

Regards,

bert hubert.

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                       |              http://www.rent-a-nerd.nl
                       |                  
                       |                     - U N I X -
                       |          Inspice et cautus eris - D11T'95

Re: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[Michael Marxmeier]

Forwarded message ...

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 04:23:19 +0200
From: Daniel Roesen <dr@bofh.de>
Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app
References: <20000404225012.A8198@home.ds9a.nl>

On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 10:50:13PM +0200, bert hubert wrote:
> I'm currenly thinking about making this a full blown LVM manager, does
> anybody have ideas on what the best paradigm would be?

Make it (n)curses based so it can be used on servers which usually
lack any X11 stuff and get remote-administered (sometimes over slow
links).


Best regards,
Daniel

Re: [linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[Jos Visser]

Hi,

Regarding visual interfaces for volume managers, my all-time favorite is
the Veritas Visual Volume Administrator VXVA. I'll see if I can dig up a
few screenshots. Mind you, the new version of the volume administrator
(VMVA) traded the older (and in my opinion nicer) graphical display for
a boring list oriented display.

++Jos

bert hubert wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> In the progress of working on my much-disputed HOWTO, I programmed a tiny
> tool which visually shows you your LVM configuration. A screenshot is
> available on http://ds9a.nl/lvm-howto/. Source will be released soon but
> its far too ugly now :-)
> 
> I'm currenly thinking about making this a full blown LVM manager, does
> anybody have ideas on what the best paradigm would be? Perhaps people here
> have worked with HP/UX SAM, and have ideas.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> bert hubert.
> 
> --
>                        |              http://www.rent-a-nerd.nl
>                        |
>                        |                     - U N I X -
>                        |          Inspice et cautus eris - D11T'95

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 ___) | (_| | | | |  __/  / __/| |_| | |_| | |_| |
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[linux-lvm] LVM Viewer / Manager app

[bert hubert]

Hi everybody,

In the progress of working on my much-disputed HOWTO, I programmed a tiny
tool which visually shows you your LVM configuration. A screenshot is
available on http://ds9a.nl/lvm-howto/. Source will be released soon but
its far too ugly now :-)

I'm currenly thinking about making this a full blown LVM manager, does
anybody have ideas on what the best paradigm would be? Perhaps people here
have worked with HP/UX SAM, and have ideas.

Regards,

bert hubert.

-- 
                       |              http://www.rent-a-nerd.nl
                       |                  
                       |                     - U N I X -
                       |          Inspice et cautus eris - D11T'95