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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Dominique Martinet <asmadeus@codewreck.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/mincore: allow for making sys_mincore() privileged
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 18:18:16 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgLgAzs42=W0tPrTVpu7H7fQ=BP5gXKnoNxMxh9=9uXag@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190111020340.GM27534@dastard>

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:03 PM Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 02:11:01PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > And we *can* do sane things about RWF_NOWAIT. For example, we could
> > start async IO on RWF_NOWAIT, and suddenly it would go from "probe the
> > page cache" to "probe and fill", and be much harder to use as an
> > attack vector..
>
> We can only do that if the application submits the read via AIO and
> has an async IO completion reporting mechanism.

Oh, no, you misunderstand.

RWF_NOWAIT has a lot of situations where it will potentially return
early (the DAX and direct IO ones have their own), but I was thinking
of the one in generic_file_buffered_read(), which triggers when you
don't find a page mapping. That looks like the obvious "probe page
cache" case.

But we could literally move that test down just a few lines. Let it
start read-ahead.

.. and then it will actually trigger on the *second* case instead, where we have

                if (!PageUptodate(page)) {
                        if (iocb->ki_flags & IOCB_NOWAIT) {
                                put_page(page);
                                goto would_block;
                        }

and that's where RWF_MNOWAIT would act.

It would still return EAGAIN.

But it would have started filling the page cache. So now the act of
probing would fill the page cache, and the attacker would be left high
and dry - the fact that the page cache now exists is because of the
attack, not because of whatever it was trying to measure.

See?

But obviously this kind of change only matters if we also have
mincore() not returning the probe data. mincore() obviously can't do
the same kind of read-ahead to defeat things.

              Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-11  2:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 215+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-05 17:27 [PATCH] mm/mincore: allow for making sys_mincore() privileged Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 17:27 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 19:14 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-05 19:24   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 19:24     ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 19:38     ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-08  9:14       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2019-01-08 11:37         ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-08 11:37           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-08 13:53           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2019-01-08 14:08             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-01-05 19:44 ` kbuild test robot
2019-01-05 19:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 19:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 20:12   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 20:12     ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 20:17     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 20:17       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 20:43       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 20:43         ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 21:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 21:54           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-06 11:33           ` Kevin Easton
2019-01-08  8:50           ` Kevin Easton
2019-01-18 14:23           ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-05 20:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 20:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 19:56 ` kbuild test robot
2019-01-05 22:54 ` Jann Horn
2019-01-05 22:54   ` Jann Horn
2019-01-05 23:05   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 23:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 23:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 23:16       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 23:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 23:28         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 23:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 23:39         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-06  0:11         ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-06  0:22           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-06  0:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-06  1:50             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-06  1:50               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-06 21:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-06 21:46                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-08  4:43                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-08 17:57                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-08 17:57                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-09  2:24                     ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-09  2:31                       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-09  2:31                         ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-09  4:39                         ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-09 10:08                           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-09 10:08                             ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-10  1:15                             ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10  7:54                               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-10  7:54                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-09 18:25                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-09 18:25                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10  0:44                             ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10  1:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10  1:18                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10  5:26                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-10  5:26                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-10 14:47                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-10 21:44                                     ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10 21:59                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10 21:59                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  1:47                                   ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10  7:03                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10 11:47                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10 11:47                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10 12:24                                     ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-10 12:24                                       ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-10 22:11                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10 22:11                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  2:03                                         ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-11  2:18                                           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2019-01-11  2:18                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  4:04                                             ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-11  4:08                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-11  7:20                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-11  7:08                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  7:08                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  7:36                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-11 16:26                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11 16:26                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-15 23:45                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16  4:54                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  4:54                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  5:49                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  5:49                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-17  1:26                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2019-02-20 15:49                                                     ` Nicolai Stange
2019-01-11  4:57                                         ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-11  7:11                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  7:11                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  7:32                                             ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-16  0:42                                         ` Josh Snyder
2019-01-16  5:00                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  5:00                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  5:25                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-16  5:34                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  5:34                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  5:46                                                 ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-16  5:58                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  5:58                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  6:34                                                     ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-16  7:52                                                       ` Josh Snyder
2019-01-16  7:52                                                         ` Josh Snyder
2019-01-16 12:18                                                         ` Kevin Easton
2019-01-17 21:45                                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-18  4:49                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-18  4:49                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-18 18:58                                                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-16 16:12                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-16 16:12                                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-16 17:48                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16 17:48                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16 20:23                                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-16 20:23                                                           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-16 21:37                                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-16 21:41                                                             ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-16 21:41                                                               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-17  9:52                                                               ` Cyril Hrubis
2019-01-28 13:49                                                               ` Cyril Hrubis
2019-01-17  4:51                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-17  4:51                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-18  4:54                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-18  4:54                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-17  1:49                                                           ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-23 20:27                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-23 20:27                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-23 20:35                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-23 20:35                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-23 23:12                                                               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-23 23:12                                                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-24  0:20                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-24  0:20                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-24  0:24                                                             ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-24 12:45                                                               ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-24 14:25                                                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-24 14:25                                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-27 22:35                                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-27 22:35                                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-28  0:05                                                                     ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-29 23:52                                                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-30  9:09                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-30 12:29                                                                           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-16 12:36                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-10 14:50                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-11  7:36                               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-11  7:36                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-17  2:22                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-17  8:18                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-17  8:18                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-17 21:06                                     ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-07  4:32             ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-07 10:33               ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-07 11:08                 ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-07 11:59                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-07 13:29                   ` Daniel Gruss
2019-01-07 10:10         ` Michael Ellerman
2019-01-05 23:09   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 23:09     ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-30 12:44 ` [PATCH 0/3] mincore() and IOCB_NOWAIT adjustments Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-30 12:44   ` [PATCH 1/3] mm/mincore: make mincore() more conservative Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-31  9:43     ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-31  9:51       ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-31 17:46       ` Josh Snyder
2019-02-01  8:56     ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-03-06 23:13     ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-07  0:01       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-03-07  0:40         ` Dominique Martinet
2019-03-07  5:46           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-30 12:44   ` [PATCH 2/3] mm/filemap: initiate readahead even if IOCB_NOWAIT is set for the I/O Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-30 15:04     ` Florian Weimer
2019-01-30 15:15       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31 10:47         ` Florian Weimer
2019-01-31 11:34           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31  9:56     ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-31 10:15       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31 10:23         ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-31 10:30           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31 11:32             ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-31 17:54           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-01  5:13             ` Dave Chinner
2019-02-01  7:05               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-01  7:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-01  1:44       ` Dave Chinner
2019-02-12 15:48         ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31 12:04     ` Daniel Gruss
2019-01-31 12:06       ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-31 12:08       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31 12:57         ` Daniel Gruss
2019-01-30 12:44   ` [PATCH 3/3] mm/mincore: provide mapped status when cached status is not allowed Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-31 10:09     ` Michal Hocko
2019-02-01  9:04       ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-02-01  9:11         ` Michal Hocko
2019-02-01  9:27           ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-02-06 20:14             ` Jiri Kosina
2019-02-12  3:44         ` Jiri Kosina
2019-02-12  6:36           ` Michal Hocko
2019-02-12 13:09             ` Jiri Kosina
2019-02-12 14:01               ` Michal Hocko
2019-03-06 12:11   ` [PATCH 0/3] mincore() and IOCB_NOWAIT adjustments Jiri Kosina
2019-03-06 22:35     ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-06 22:48       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-03-06 23:23         ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-06 23:32           ` Dominique Martinet
2019-03-06 23:38             ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-09 16:53               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-12 14:17   ` [PATCH v2 0/2] prevent mincore() page cache leaks Vlastimil Babka
2019-03-12 14:17     ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm/mincore: make mincore() more conservative Vlastimil Babka
2019-03-12 14:17     ` [PATCH v2 2/2] mm/mincore: provide mapped status when cached status is not allowed Vlastimil Babka

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