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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/userfaultfd: fix memory corruption due to writeprotect
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:20:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <X/3MWWYY0FlBpH9r@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <X/SqBG7KDKZhSUHu@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 01:03:48PM -0500, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 04:37:27PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > (your other email clarified this point; the COW needs to copy while
> > holding the PTL and we need TLBI under PTL if we're to change this)
> 
> The COW doesn't need to hold the PT lock, the TLBI broadcast doesn't
> need to be delivered under PT lock either.
> 
> Simply there need to be a TLBI broadcast before the copy. The patch I
> sent here https://lkml.kernel.org/r/X+QLr1WmGXMs33Ld@redhat.com that
> needs to be cleaned up with some abstraction and better commentary
> also misses a smp_mb() in the case flush_tlb_page is not called, but
> that's a small detail.

That's horrific crap. All of that tlb-pending stuff is batshit, and this
makes it worse.

> > And I'm thinking the speculative page fault series steps right into all
> > this, it fundamentally avoids mmap_sem and entirely relies on the PTL.
> 
> I thought about that but that only applies to some kind of "anon" page
> fault.

That must be something new; it used to handle all faults. I specifically
spend quite a bit of time getting the file crud right (which Linus
initially fingered for being horrible broken).

SPF fundamentally elides the mmap_sem, which Linus said must serialize
faults.

> Here the problem isn't just the page fault, the problem is not to
> regress clear_refs to block on page fault I/O, and all

IIRC we do the actual reads without any locks held, just like
VM_FAULT_RETRY does today. You take the fault, find you need IO, drop
locks, do IO, retake fault.

> MAP_PRIVATE/MAP_SHARED filebacked faults bitting the disk to read
> /usr/ will still prevent clear_refs from running (and the other way
> around) if it has to take the mmap_sem for writing.
> 
> I don't look at the speculative page fault for a while but last I
> checked there was nothing there that can tame the above major
> regression from CPU speed to disk I/O speed that would be inflicted on
> both clear_refs on huge mm and on uffd-wp.

All of the clear_refs nonsense is immaterial to SPF. Also, who again
cares about clear_refs? Why is it important?


  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-12 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-19  4:30 [PATCH] mm/userfaultfd: fix memory corruption due to writeprotect Nadav Amit
2020-12-19 19:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]   ` <EDC00345-B46E-4396-8379-98E943723809@gmail.com>
2020-12-19 22:06     ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-20  2:20       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21  4:36         ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21  5:12           ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21  5:25             ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21  5:39               ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21  7:29                 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 20:34       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-22 20:58         ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 21:34           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-20  2:01     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-20  2:49       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-20  5:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-21 18:03           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21 18:22             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-20  6:05     ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-20  8:06       ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-20  9:54         ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21  3:33           ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21  4:44             ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 17:27         ` Peter Xu
2020-12-21 18:31           ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 19:16             ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 19:55               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 20:21                 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 20:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 20:23                 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 20:26                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 21:24                     ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 21:49                       ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 22:30                         ` Peter Xu
2020-12-21 22:55                           ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 23:30                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 23:46                               ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 19:44                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 20:19                               ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 21:17                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21 23:12                           ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 23:33                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22  0:00                               ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22  0:11                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22  0:24                                   ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 23:22                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22  3:19                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-22  4:16                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22 20:19                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-05 15:37                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05 18:03                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-12 16:20                                     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-01-12 11:43                                   ` Vinayak Menon
2021-01-12 15:47                                     ` Laurent Dufour
2021-01-12 16:57                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-12 19:02                                         ` Laurent Dufour
2021-01-12 19:15                                           ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-12 19:56                                             ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-12 20:38                                               ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-12 20:49                                                 ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-12 21:43                                                 ` Will Deacon
2021-01-12 22:29                                                   ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-12 22:46                                                     ` Will Deacon
2021-01-13  0:31                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-17  4:41                                                   ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-17  7:32                                                     ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-17  9:16                                                       ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-17 10:13                                                         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-17 19:25                                                           ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-18  2:49                                                             ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22  9:38                               ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 19:31                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 20:15                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-22 20:26                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 21:14                                 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 22:02                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 23:39                                     ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 23:50                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23  0:01                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23  0:23                                           ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23  2:17                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23  9:44                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23 10:06                                             ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 16:24                                               ` Peter Xu
2020-12-23 18:51                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 18:55                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 19:12                                                 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 19:32                                                   ` Peter Xu
2020-12-23  0:20                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23  2:56                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23  3:36                                         ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 15:52                                           ` Peter Xu
2020-12-23 21:07                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 21:39                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 22:29                                             ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 23:04                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24  1:21                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-24  2:00                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24  3:09                                                   ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24  3:30                                                     ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24  3:34                                                     ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-24  4:01                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24  5:18                                                         ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24 18:49                                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24 19:16                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24  4:37                                                       ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24  3:31                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 23:39                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-24  1:01                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 21:14                                 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 12:40                       ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 18:30                         ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 19:20                           ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-23 16:23                             ` Will Deacon
2020-12-23 19:04                               ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-23 22:05                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 22:45                           ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-23 23:55                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21 21:55                   ` Peter Xu
2020-12-21 23:13                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 19:53             ` Peter Xu

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