From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/userfaultfd: fix memory corruption due to writeprotect
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:20:41 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <X/3MWWYY0FlBpH9r@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <X/SqBG7KDKZhSUHu@redhat.com>
On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 01:03:48PM -0500, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 04:37:27PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > (your other email clarified this point; the COW needs to copy while
> > holding the PTL and we need TLBI under PTL if we're to change this)
>
> The COW doesn't need to hold the PT lock, the TLBI broadcast doesn't
> need to be delivered under PT lock either.
>
> Simply there need to be a TLBI broadcast before the copy. The patch I
> sent here https://lkml.kernel.org/r/X+QLr1WmGXMs33Ld@redhat.com that
> needs to be cleaned up with some abstraction and better commentary
> also misses a smp_mb() in the case flush_tlb_page is not called, but
> that's a small detail.
That's horrific crap. All of that tlb-pending stuff is batshit, and this
makes it worse.
> > And I'm thinking the speculative page fault series steps right into all
> > this, it fundamentally avoids mmap_sem and entirely relies on the PTL.
>
> I thought about that but that only applies to some kind of "anon" page
> fault.
That must be something new; it used to handle all faults. I specifically
spend quite a bit of time getting the file crud right (which Linus
initially fingered for being horrible broken).
SPF fundamentally elides the mmap_sem, which Linus said must serialize
faults.
> Here the problem isn't just the page fault, the problem is not to
> regress clear_refs to block on page fault I/O, and all
IIRC we do the actual reads without any locks held, just like
VM_FAULT_RETRY does today. You take the fault, find you need IO, drop
locks, do IO, retake fault.
> MAP_PRIVATE/MAP_SHARED filebacked faults bitting the disk to read
> /usr/ will still prevent clear_refs from running (and the other way
> around) if it has to take the mmap_sem for writing.
>
> I don't look at the speculative page fault for a while but last I
> checked there was nothing there that can tame the above major
> regression from CPU speed to disk I/O speed that would be inflicted on
> both clear_refs on huge mm and on uffd-wp.
All of the clear_refs nonsense is immaterial to SPF. Also, who again
cares about clear_refs? Why is it important?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-01-12 16:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-12-19 4:30 [PATCH] mm/userfaultfd: fix memory corruption due to writeprotect Nadav Amit
2020-12-19 19:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
[not found] ` <EDC00345-B46E-4396-8379-98E943723809@gmail.com>
2020-12-19 22:06 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-20 2:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21 4:36 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 5:12 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 5:25 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 5:39 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 7:29 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 20:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-22 20:58 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 21:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-20 2:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-20 2:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-20 5:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-21 18:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21 18:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-20 6:05 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-20 8:06 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-20 9:54 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 3:33 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 4:44 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 17:27 ` Peter Xu
2020-12-21 18:31 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 19:16 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 19:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 20:21 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 20:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 20:23 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 20:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 21:24 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 21:49 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 22:30 ` Peter Xu
2020-12-21 22:55 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 23:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 23:46 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 19:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 20:19 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 21:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21 23:12 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22 0:00 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 0:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22 0:24 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 23:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22 3:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-22 4:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22 20:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-05 15:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05 18:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-12 16:20 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-01-12 11:43 ` Vinayak Menon
2021-01-12 15:47 ` Laurent Dufour
2021-01-12 16:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-12 19:02 ` Laurent Dufour
2021-01-12 19:15 ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-12 19:56 ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-12 20:38 ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-12 20:49 ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-12 21:43 ` Will Deacon
2021-01-12 22:29 ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-12 22:46 ` Will Deacon
2021-01-13 0:31 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-17 4:41 ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-17 7:32 ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-17 9:16 ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-17 10:13 ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-17 19:25 ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-18 2:49 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 9:38 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 19:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 20:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-22 20:26 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 21:14 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 22:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 23:39 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 23:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23 0:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23 0:23 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 2:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 9:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23 10:06 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 16:24 ` Peter Xu
2020-12-23 18:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 18:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 19:12 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 19:32 ` Peter Xu
2020-12-23 0:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23 2:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 3:36 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 15:52 ` Peter Xu
2020-12-23 21:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 21:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 22:29 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 23:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24 1:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-24 2:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24 3:09 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24 3:30 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24 3:34 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-24 4:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24 5:18 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24 18:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24 19:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24 4:37 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24 3:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 23:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-24 1:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 21:14 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 12:40 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 18:30 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 19:20 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-23 16:23 ` Will Deacon
2020-12-23 19:04 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-23 22:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 22:45 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-23 23:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21 21:55 ` Peter Xu
2020-12-21 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 19:53 ` Peter Xu
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