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From: "Christoph Müllner" <christoph.muellner@vrull.eu>
To: Andrew Jones <ajones@ventanamicro.com>
Cc: Heiko Stuebner <heiko@sntech.de>, Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,  palmer@dabbelt.com,
	prabhakar.csengg@gmail.com, philipp.tomsich@vrull.eu,
	 emil.renner.berthing@canonical.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] RISC-V: add zbb support to string functions
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 17:35:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEg0e7g132REPxisSFJZorXbSqzb4q1Tj7FC8G9pDMymt0qZuw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221125152821.ytipefad7oxv733t@kamzik>

On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 4:28 PM Andrew Jones <ajones@ventanamicro.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 12:26:42PM +0100, Christoph Müllner wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 8:49 AM Andrew Jones <ajones@ventanamicro.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 12:51:54AM +0100, Heiko Stuebner wrote:
> > > > Am Donnerstag, 24. November 2022, 23:32:58 CET schrieb Conor Dooley:
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 11:23:08PM +0100, Heiko Stübner wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > > > > > diff --git a/arch/riscv/kernel/cpu.c b/arch/riscv/kernel/cpu.c
> > > > > > > > index bf9dd6764bad..66ff36a57e20 100644
> > > > > > > > --- a/arch/riscv/kernel/cpu.c
> > > > > > > > +++ b/arch/riscv/kernel/cpu.c
> > > > > > > > @@ -166,6 +166,7 @@ static struct riscv_isa_ext_data
> > > isa_ext_arr[] = {
> > > > > > > >       __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(sstc, RISCV_ISA_EXT_SSTC),
> > > > > > > >       __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(svinval, RISCV_ISA_EXT_SVINVAL),
> > > > > > > >       __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(svpbmt, RISCV_ISA_EXT_SVPBMT),
> > > > > > > > +     __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(zbb, RISCV_ISA_EXT_ZBB),
> > > > > > > >       __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(zicbom, RISCV_ISA_EXT_ZICBOM),
> > > > > > > >       __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(zihintpause,
> > > RISCV_ISA_EXT_ZIHINTPAUSE),
> > > > > > > >       __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA("", RISCV_ISA_EXT_MAX),
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This one I do know that Palmer wants canonically ordered.
> > > > >
> > > > > btw, idk if you noticed but I appear to have picked canonical ordering
> > > > > as today's thing to get confused about a lot.
> > > > >
> > > > > You put zbb after the S extentions - does that meant it is *not* an
> > > > > "Additional Standard Extension" but rather a regular Z one?
> > > >
> > > > This confuses me completely now :-) .
> > > >
> > >
> > > Can we instead post a patch to the spec that changes the order to
> > > alphabetical? The only other option I see is to develop a tool which sorts
> > > extensions and every RISC-V developer keeps it in their back pocket. A
> > > kernel specific tool to check each list we want to keep sorted would be
> > > nice too.
> > >
> > > My preference would be to change the spec to alphabetical order, though,
> > > because the spec isn't explicit[*] enough to write a tool that can handle
> > > all cases. We'll end up needing to have conversations like this one to
> > > write the tool and eventually the tool will be what everyone looks to,
> > > rather than the spec...
> > >
> > > [*] The spec uses words like 'can', 'should', and 'conventional'.
> > >
> >
> > The unpriv spec is clear about the canonical order (table "Standard ISA
> > extension names"):
>
> The caption under table 27.1 does indeed declare the table defines the
> canonical order and that it *must* be used for the name string, but
> almost everywhere else in chapter 27 the word "should" is used to suggest
> how extensions be ordered (only X-extensions say where they must be).
>
> > 1) Base ISA
> > 2) Standard Unpriv Extension (non alphabetical)
>
> The 'non alphabetical' part makes this a PITA.
>
> And section 27.6 says the first letter "conventionally indicates...". I
> suppose we can assume it "must indicate"?

I think it is what it is and changing it would just open pointless discussions.
Further, I think that consistency is more important than trying to establish a
new second ordering scheme (regardless if that is simpler and/or better)
unless we have to overcome technical issues that would otherwise not
be possible.

>
> > 3) Standard Supervisor-Level Extensions
>
> Are the conventions for the first character of S-extensions defined? I've
> seen 'Ss' for "Privileged arch and Supervisor-level extensions", e.g.
> Sscofpmf. 'Sv' for virtual memory (I guess) related extensions, e.g.
> Svinval, and we appear to be using alphabetical order for them.
>
> > 4) Standard Machine-Level Extensions
> > 5) Non-Standard (Vendor) Extensions
>
> Anyway, for the relatively easier problem of this kernel list and this
> patch, we could do something with defines like below in order to try and
> keep the order right.
>
> /*
>  * Each sub-list is sorted alphabetically.
>  */
> #define S_EXTENSIONS                                                    \
>         __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(sscofpmf, RISCV_ISA_EXT_SSCOFPMF),         \
>         __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(sstc, RISCV_ISA_EXT_SSTC),                 \
>         __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(svinval, RISCV_ISA_EXT_SVINVAL),           \
>         __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(svpbmt, RISCV_ISA_EXT_SVPBMT),
>
> #define Zi_EXTENSIONS                                                   \
>         __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(zicbom, RISCV_ISA_EXT_ZICBOM),             \
>         __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(zihintpause, RISCV_ISA_EXT_ZIHINTPAUSE),
>
> #define Zb_EXTENSIONS                                                   \
>         __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA(zbb, RISCV_ISA_EXT_ZICBOM),                \
>
> static struct riscv_isa_ext_data isa_ext_arr[] = {
>         Zi_EXTENSIONS
>         Zb_EXTENSIONS
>         S_EXTENSIONS
>         __RISCV_ISA_EXT_DATA("", RISCV_ISA_EXT_MAX),
> };

It might be worth to look how Binutils are grouping them:
  https://sourceware.org/git/?p=binutils-gdb.git;a=blob;f=bfd/elfxx-riscv.c#l1261

They also group extensions together but use the following groups:

const struct riscv_supported_ext *riscv_all_supported_ext[] =
{
  riscv_supported_std_ext,
  riscv_supported_std_z_ext,
  riscv_supported_std_s_ext,
  riscv_supported_std_zxm_ext,
  riscv_supported_vendor_x_ext,
  NULL
};

BR
Christoph

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-25 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-10 16:49 [PATCH 0/7] Zbb string optimizations and call support in alternatives Heiko Stuebner
2022-11-10 16:49 ` [PATCH 1/7] efi/riscv: libstub: mark when compiling libstub Heiko Stuebner
2022-11-13 17:16   ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-13 17:20     ` Heiko Stübner
2022-11-13 18:06       ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-10 16:49 ` [PATCH 2/7] RISC-V: add auipc elements to parse_asm header Heiko Stuebner
2022-11-13 17:18   ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-10 16:49 ` [PATCH 3/7] RISC-V: add U-type imm parsing " Heiko Stuebner
2022-11-13 19:06   ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-10 16:49 ` [PATCH 4/7] RISC-V: add rd reg " Heiko Stuebner
2022-11-13 19:08   ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-10 16:49 ` [PATCH 5/7] RISC-V: fix auipc-jalr addresses in patched alternatives Heiko Stuebner
2022-11-13 20:31   ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-14 10:57   ` Emil Renner Berthing
2022-11-14 11:35     ` Andrew Jones
2022-11-14 11:38       ` Emil Renner Berthing
2022-11-14 11:38       ` Heiko Stübner
2022-11-14 12:15         ` Andrew Jones
2022-11-14 12:29           ` Emil Renner Berthing
2022-11-14 12:47         ` Philipp Tomsich
2022-11-15 14:28   ` Lad, Prabhakar
2022-11-17 11:51     ` Heiko Stübner
2022-11-21  9:50   ` Lad, Prabhakar
2022-11-21 11:27     ` Heiko Stübner
2022-11-21 15:06       ` Lad, Prabhakar
2022-11-21 21:31         ` Lad, Prabhakar
2022-11-21 22:17           ` Heiko Stübner
2022-11-21 22:38             ` Heiko Stübner
2022-11-22  0:16               ` Lad, Prabhakar
2022-11-21 23:59             ` Lad, Prabhakar
2022-11-22 10:59             ` Lad, Prabhakar
2022-11-22 11:19               ` Heiko Stübner
2022-11-22 11:37                 ` Heiko Stübner
2022-11-22 12:28                   ` Lad, Prabhakar
2022-11-10 16:49 ` [PATCH 6/7] RISC-V: add infrastructure to allow different str* implementations Heiko Stuebner
2022-11-13 22:07   ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-10 16:49 ` [PATCH 7/7] RISC-V: add zbb support to string functions Heiko Stuebner
2022-11-13 23:29   ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-13 23:47     ` Heiko Stübner
2022-11-24 22:23     ` Heiko Stübner
2022-11-24 22:32       ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-24 23:51         ` Heiko Stuebner
2022-11-25  7:49           ` Andrew Jones
2022-11-25  8:17             ` Conor.Dooley
     [not found]             ` <CAEg0e7h9skbWPVDsz9CdB8dATN5XM9eT-uPY0A7xRZmX=qTU6A@mail.gmail.com>
2022-11-25 15:28               ` Andrew Jones
2022-11-25 16:35                 ` Christoph Müllner [this message]
2022-11-25 16:39                   ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-25 17:02                     ` Christoph Müllner
2022-11-25 17:11                       ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-25 17:42                         ` Christoph Müllner
2022-11-25 16:36                 ` Conor Dooley

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