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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Martin Kepplinger <martin.kepplinger@puri.sm>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Can Guo <cang@codeaurora.org>,
	martin.petersen@oracle.com, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel@puri.sm
Subject: Re: [PATCH] scsi: sd: add runtime pm to open / release
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:49:34 -0700
Message-ID: <1596037774.4356.42.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200729154056.GA1575761@rowland.harvard.edu>

On Wed, 2020-07-29 at 11:40 -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 07:53:52AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-07-29 at 07:46 -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
[...]
> > > That sense code means "NOT READY TO READY CHANGE, MEDIUM MAY HAVE
> > > CHANGED" so it sounds like it something we should be
> > > ignoring.  Usually this signals a problem, like you changed the
> > > medium manually (ejected the CD).  But in this case you can tell
> > > us to expect this by setting
> > > 
> > > sdev->expecting_cc_ua
> > > 
> > > And we'll retry.  I think you need to set this on all resumed
> > > devices.
> > 
> > Actually, it's not quite that easy, we filter out this ASC/ASCQ
> > combination from the check because we should never ignore medium
> > might have changed events on running devices.  We could ignore it
> > if we had a flag to say the power has been yanked (perhaps an
> > additional sdev flag you set on resume) but we would still miss the
> > case where you really had powered off the drive and then changed
> > the media ... if you can regard this as the user's problem, then we
> > might have a solution.
> 
> Indeed, I was going to make the same point.
> 
> The only reasonable conclusion is that suspending these SD card
> readers isn't safe unless they don't contain a card -- or maybe just
> if the device file isn't open or mounted.

For standard removable media, I could see issuing an eject before
suspend to emphasize the point.  However, sd cards don't work like that
... they're not ejectable except manually and mostly used as the HDD of
embedded, so the 99% use case is that the user will suspend and resume
the device with the same sdd insert.  It does sound like a use case we
should support.

> Although support for this sort of thing could be added to the
> kernel, for now it's best to rely on userspace doing the right
> thing.  The kernel doesn't even know which devices suffer from this
> problem.

Can we solve from userspace the case where the user hasn't changed the
media and the resume fails because we don't know?

James


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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-23 11:10 Martin Kepplinger
2020-06-24 13:33 ` Bart Van Assche
2020-06-25  8:16   ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-06-25 14:52     ` Alan Stern
2020-06-26  3:53     ` Bart Van Assche
2020-06-26 15:07     ` Bart Van Assche
2020-06-26 15:44       ` Alan Stern
2020-06-28  2:37         ` Bart Van Assche
2020-06-28 13:10           ` Alan Stern
2020-06-29  9:42         ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-06-29 16:15           ` Alan Stern
2020-06-29 16:56             ` Bart Van Assche
2020-06-29 17:40               ` Alan Stern
2020-06-30  3:33             ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-06-30 13:38               ` Alan Stern
2020-06-30 15:59             ` Bart Van Assche
2020-06-30 18:02               ` Alan Stern
2020-06-30 19:23                 ` Bart Van Assche
2020-06-30 19:38                   ` Alan Stern
2020-06-30 23:31                     ` Bart Van Assche
2020-07-01  0:49                       ` Alan Stern
2020-07-06 16:41                         ` Alan Stern
2020-07-28  7:02                           ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-07-28 20:02                             ` Alan Stern
2020-07-29 14:12                               ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-07-29 14:32                                 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-29 14:44                                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-07-29 14:56                                     ` Alan Stern
2020-07-29 14:46                                   ` James Bottomley
2020-07-29 14:53                                     ` James Bottomley
2020-07-29 15:40                                       ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-07-29 15:44                                         ` James Bottomley
2020-07-29 16:43                                           ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-07-29 18:25                                             ` Alan Stern
2020-07-29 18:29                                               ` James Bottomley
2020-07-30  8:52                                                 ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-07-30  8:54                                                   ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-07-30 15:10                                                   ` Alan Stern
2020-08-04  9:39                                                     ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-08-07  9:51                                                       ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-08-07 14:30                                                         ` Alan Stern
2020-08-08  6:59                                                           ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-08-08 15:05                                                             ` Alan Stern
2020-08-09  9:20                                                               ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-08-09 15:26                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2020-08-10 12:03                                                                   ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-08-10 14:13                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2020-08-11  7:55                                                                       ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-08-11 13:48                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2020-08-23 14:57                                                                         ` [PATCH] block: Fix bug in runtime-resume handling Alan Stern
2020-08-24 17:48                                                                           ` Bart Van Assche
2020-08-24 20:13                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2020-08-26  7:48                                                                               ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-08-27 17:42                                                                                 ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-08-27 20:29                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2020-08-29  7:24                                                                                     ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-08-29 15:26                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2020-08-29 16:33                                                                                         ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-08-29 18:56                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2020-08-30  0:38                                                                                             ` Bart Van Assche
2020-08-30  1:06                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2020-07-29 15:40                                       ` [PATCH] scsi: sd: add runtime pm to open / release Alan Stern
2020-07-29 15:49                                         ` James Bottomley [this message]
2020-07-29 16:17                                           ` Alan Stern
2020-07-29 15:52                                         ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-07-29 18:10                                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2020-07-30  8:05             ` Martin Kepplinger
2020-07-30 15:14               ` Alan Stern

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