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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, kernel-team <kernel-team@fb.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next] bpf, capabilities: introduce CAP_BPF
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 20:44:33 -0400
Message-ID: <20190827204433.3af91faf@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUOHRMkBRJi_s30CjZdOLDGtdMOEgqfgPf+q0x+Fw7LtQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 16:34:47 -0700
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:

> > > CAP_TRACING does not override normal permissions on sysfs or debugfs.
> > > This means that, unless a new interface for programming kprobes and
> > > such is added, it does not directly allow use of kprobes.  
> >
> > kprobes can be created in the tracefs filesystem (which is separate from
> > debugfs, tracefs just gets automatically mounted
> > in /sys/kernel/debug/tracing when debugfs is mounted) from the
> > kprobe_events file. /sys/kernel/tracing is just the tracefs
> > directory without debugfs, and was created specifically to allow
> > tracing to be access without opening up the can of worms in debugfs.  
> 
> I think that, in principle, CAP_TRACING should allow this, but I'm not
> sure how to achieve that.  I suppose we could set up
> inode_operations.permission on tracefs, but what exactly would it do?
> Would it be just like generic_permission() except that it would look
> at CAP_TRACING instead of CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE?  That is, you can use
> tracefs if you have CAP_TRACING *or* acl access?  Or would it be:
> 
> int tracing_permission(struct inode *inode, int mask)
> {
>   if (!capable(CAP_TRACING))
>     return -EPERM;
> 
>   return generic_permission(inode, mask);
> }

Perhaps we should make a group for it?

> 
> Which would mean that you need ACL *and* CAP_TRACING, so
> administrators would change the mode to 777.  That's a bit scary.
> 
> And this still doesn't let people even *find* tracefs, since it's
> hidden in debugfs.
> 
> So maybe make CAP_TRACING override ACLs but also add /sys/fs/tracing
> and mount tracefs there, too, so that regular users can at least find
> the mountpoint.

I think you missed what I said. It's not hidden in /sys/kernel/debug.
If you enable tracefs, you have /sys/kernel/tracing created, and is
completely separate from debugfs. I only have it *also* automatically
mounted to /sys/kernel/debug/tracing for backward compatibility
reasons, as older versions of trace-cmd will only mount debugfs (as
root), and expect to find it there.

 mount -t tracefs nodev /sys/kernel/tracing

-- Steve

> 
> >
> > Should we allow CAP_TRACING access to /proc/kallsyms? as it is helpful
> > to convert perf and trace-cmd's function pointers into names. Once you
> > allow tracing of the kernel, hiding /proc/kallsyms is pretty useless.  
> 
> I think we should.


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Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20190827205213.456318-1-ast@kernel.org>
2019-08-27 23:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-27 23:21   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-27 23:34     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  0:44       ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2019-08-28  1:12         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  2:22           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-28  0:38     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  3:30     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-08-28  4:47       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  0:34   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  0:55     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  2:00       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  4:49         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  6:20           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28 23:38             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29  0:58               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  4:43       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  6:12         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28 22:55           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29  0:45             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-29  0:53               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-29  4:07               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-09-28 23:37                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-30 18:31                   ` Kees Cook
2019-10-01  1:22                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-01 22:10                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-01 22:18                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-01 22:47                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-02 17:18                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-02 23:00                               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-03 16:18                                 ` trace_printk issue. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-03 16:41                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-04 19:56                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-03  6:12                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-10-03 16:20                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  7:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-28 22:08     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29 13:34       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-29 15:43         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-29 17:23           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29 17:36             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-29 17:49             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-29 17:19         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29 17:47           ` Steven Rostedt

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